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Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by 9rx »

thebruce87m wrote: post #113
9rx wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Being on the other side of the world, I've only ever heard of efforts to save English pubs. Thus, without more details, one knows that is what is being referred to. Perhaps Scotland has the same kind of movement happening at the local level, but something on a global website implies global context.

The website is for England and Wales.

Wales comes along with England due to how their legal framework is setup. It is a good technical point you raise, but for all intents and purposes within the context they are the same place.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by austinjp »

crazygringo wrote: post #142
bodge5000 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of US sites that make no mention of being US specific, I feel like this is well deserved

Due to the history of the internet, anything ".com" should be assumed to be US-specific if not obviously global, just like anything ".co.uk" should be assumed to be UK-specific if not obviously global. If you use a .com for something that is specific to a country/region that is not the US, the onus is on you to clarify. That's the problem here. If you're not going to make it ".uk", then you should be making that obvi…

I mean... I don't disagree that there is an onus on any website to make it clear who it's audience is. But .com hasn't been exclusively US centric for literally decades. Even during peak 90s domain name territorialism .com meant "commercial".

People outside the USA, i.e. the majority of the world, often experience the opposite to what you've described: the tiresome implicit assumption that everything on the internet is US-related by default. It's not.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by alexfoo »

j45 wrote: post #135

It's important to separate the spirit of this from the spirits of it. Pubs as social gathering places are critical to exist and keep alive. Drinking neurotoxins that have a lot of destruction and damage, maybe not so much. In the UK pubs are extremely different as well than the US. This site is for the UK, since it's asking for a postal code, among other signs. The UK also I believe has last call at 11 PM, which help…

Last call at 11pm stopped being a blanket rule in 2003. The Licensing Act 2003 (England and Wales) abolished strict closing times.

Most pubs now have much longer hours (some even 24/7) although they choose their opening hours based on how busy they are or think they will be. The local councils will take into account local considerations and limit individual pubs as they see fit.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by firefax »

messe wrote: post #98
iso1631 wrote: post #78

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Weatherspoons charge under £3 for a pint in town. That's 15 minutes at minimum wage. Beer was far more expensive 25 years ago - £1.60 in 2000 in the student pub when I first started buying my own beer, that was about half an hour at minimum wage. On the cost side: Wages are higher, energy costs more, rent is higher (because if the pub can't operate the owner can get planning permission to convert it to a private dwel…

> Weatherspoons charge under £3 for a pint in town. That's 15 minutes at minimum wage. Yeah but then you've to drink at spoons.

isn't weatherspoons like getting drunk at applebees basically? comparing that to a "pub" is kinda laughable

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by austinjp »

crazygringo wrote: post #150
prmoustache wrote: post #146

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> You can assume that .com is American unless otherwise Why?

Because the internet was invented in America so it's the only country where a country suffix was never used from the start of its popularity. I'm not saying this is good or bad or justified or not, just saying what the conventions are.

Honestly, unless you're going to say you're confused about .net and .io TLDs this comes across as willfully weaponised naivety.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by gerdesj »

alexfoo wrote: post #160
philo23 wrote: post #125

Kinda meta, but this is the first time in a long time where I've put only the first half of my postcode in expecting it not to work and been surprised. Most of these "find your nearest XYZ" site require the full postcode which is just unnecessary unless you're looking for a fairly precise location. A full postcode can narrow your location down to an individual street, so its nice not to give too much away if you can.…

I agree with the bit about the having to enter a full postcode on some sites, I often use one nearby or, if they make me select a specific address for no valid reason I make sure I use a random address nearby. Apologies to some of my neighbours who might be bombarded with junk mail for services I’ve once been half interested in. A full postcode is often much less than a single street. Picking something at random stic…

"A full postcode is often much less than a single street."

My business has its own unique postcode and so does next door! Between us we cover roughly three acres. Our place is one building with parking and a fair bit of greenery.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by alexfoo »

yunohn wrote: post #51
jaccola wrote: post #46

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The government has decided that they know what’s good for you better for you than you do. So they tax alcohol at incredibly high rates. Without this more pubs could exist. So I don’t think it’s a case of subsidising as much as removing the disincentive.

I’m not familiar with the UK, but is the tax on alcohol at pubs higher than at a store? My general understanding was that people have just shopped visiting pubs for other reasons - like diluted drinks, crappy food, loud music, etc.

People stop visiting crappy pubs if they have diluted drinks (quite rare, UK is very strict about being served exact alcohol measures, there is very little free pouring in the UK and many people would spot other drinks being diluted), crappy food (sadly all too common), loud music (age related), etc.

But not many pubs are crappy in these respects.

The main reasons why fewer people are visiting average or good pubs are: * cost of living is going up so many people have less disposable income * the younger generations are much less interested in alcohol than previous generations

The latter point is an interesting one. There are two wildly different drivers for this that I’ve witnessed.

Many of the under 25s now either don’t drink alcohol at all, or only drink a fraction of what their elders did. Many prefer to just go to the gym instead (which is the millenials third space).

On the flip side, some of the children of my friends and family say that alcohol in pubs is just too expensive, so they get their kicks from recreational drugs like weed or ket.

The number of people who have the disposable income to go to the pub regularly is falling in the UK, and the mainstay of the pub was often the working class and they are being priced out by everything getting more expensive.

There aren’t enough people with enough disposable income to weather the storms and keep going to the pub regardless, and therefore pubs (in general) are in deep trouble.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by econ »

ehnto wrote: post #163
sefrost wrote: post #149

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But if the landlord owns the pub (rare in the UK I know), but I believe it’s the case in this instance, then what are they getting from unrealised property price gains?

What does anyone gain from it really, except money in the bank for a handful of individuals, outsized property prices seem to be a hurdle for functional societies in basically every way. It doesn't benefit a town if rent is so expensive that their businesses shut down.

When young I use to work in construction. (With diplomas) The wages for 18 year olds in the Netherlands at the time were such that I got 340 euro per month for 40 hour weeks. It's a truly shit salary but you could also see it as a wonderful formula to build cheap houses. As my boss billed the customers 28 euro per hour for my work and those houses cost roughly 35000 to buy(!) and it took roughly 80 hours of work each. (Very rough estimates but that oddly doesn't matter) You could say I build 6.4% of the houses. They roughly cost 350 000 euro today which seems 10 fold but since people can't afford that they need a mortgage and pay 3 times that amount over 30 years. That would mean my labor now costs 10 000 per month. At the time I tried to calculate the savings escape velocity and discovered that if I saved 100% of my income I would be able to buy my own house in never years. If I build 6.4% of a house in 2 weeks that would be 3.2% per week or 32 weeks to build 100%.

Say 64 weeks and the process produces one whole home for someone else. I get that there should be some people between the construction worker and the citizen eventho they never did anything useful to the result but the margins are so preposterous that the original salary is a mere rounding error.

Then I look at Amish barn raising videos and the laughter becomes uncontrollable. I would definitely go there and help out - for free of course. If I had to keep doing that I would look for some vegetables and uhh my own house? Even if they would never build it for me it would still be more enjoyable than the western extortion scheme.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by alexfoo »

firefax wrote: post #174
messe wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Weatherspoons charge under £3 for a pint in town. That's 15 minutes at minimum wage. Yeah but then you've to drink at spoons.

isn't weatherspoons like getting drunk at applebees basically? comparing that to a "pub" is kinda laughable

Not really. Applebee’s is still too food oriented.

Wetherspoons are definitely pubs. They just have a reputation for cheap drinks and cheap meals. But there’s still a significant proportion of people who go there for drinks only.

It’s more like a drinking warehouse with carpet on the floor and a menu of mostly beige food than a larger version of a cosy country pub with a roaring fire and a varied food menu sometimes involving vegetables that have not been deep fried.

Re: Find a pub that needs you

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Post by shermantanktop »

gerdesj wrote: post #176
alexfoo wrote: post #160

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I agree with the bit about the having to enter a full postcode on some sites, I often use one nearby or, if they make me select a specific address for no valid reason I make sure I use a random address nearby. Apologies to some of my neighbours who might be bombarded with junk mail for services I’ve once been half interested in. A full postcode is often much less than a single street. Picking something at random stic…

"A full postcode is often much less than a single street." My business has its own unique postcode and so does next door! Between us we cover roughly three acres. Our place is one building with parking and a fair bit of greenery.

My postcode in Surrey had about 7 houses according to the postie.
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