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So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by pixl97 »

firefoxd wrote: post #69

My main concern is that there isn't a reliable way to know your information is securely stored[0]. > A few years ago, I received a letter in the mail addressed to my then-toddler. It was from a company I had never heard of. Apparently, there had been a breach and some customer information had been stolen. They offered a year of credit monitoring and other services. I had to read through every single word in that barr…

Honestly that main concern should be two main concerns.

You/your kid/your wife goes to hàckernews.com and is prompted for age verification again, evidently the other information has expired based on the message. So they submit their details. Oops, that was typosquatting and now who the hell knows has your information. Good luck.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

stickfigure wrote: post #109
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Before the widespread adoption of pornography, this rate was near 0% Bullshit. Men and women have been dying of autoerotic asphyxiation long before the internet. And we only hear about the ones that fuck up badly enough to make the news. I'm puzzled by this phenomenon myself, but there is apparently a significant minority of women who enjoy getting choked in bed: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-025…

Nobody is saying that nobody did this before. We are saying now that it is a health crisis, objectively.

You're the guy saying that 110 MPH speed limits can't be responsible for crashes because people also died at 20 MPH.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by t-3 »

mlinster wrote: post #48

I think that age verification is important. While its not perfect, it is one tool to help protect kids.

Think back to when you were a child. Did age verification ever stop you from doing anything? The automated, technologically-implemented age-verification is even less interested in properly verifying anything than the ID-checking bouncers at a bar. None of these things protect kids, they just annoy them and teach them that authority is stupid and lying is a convenient way to deal with stupid people.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by pixl97 »

drnick1 wrote: post #92
anthk wrote: post #68

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Call your ISP and ban any NSFW/NSFL access by DNS, both in your children's phones and your home connection. Problem solved.

This does not work, browsers like Firefox don't even always use the system DNS by default.

Ah, blocking porn from your devices does not work. But age gating porn in your country somehow fixes the fucking global internet....

Please explain that too me.

I'm sorry for getting a little steamed here, but I have to wonder if you've put any thought into what you're asking for in the name of kids safety. And worse, if you think it will work globally what are you going to do when Saudi Arabia wants anything they don't like banned in the US, for example.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by numpad0 »

Isn't age guesstimation by appearance, even with advanced machine learning techniques, even if attempted by real person with honest effort, just total snake oil? This ongoing age verification push with weird emphasis on generating name-face pairs is beyond fishy.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by idiotsecant »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #93
irusensei wrote: post #90

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I'm trying to find the contact for the does-not-imply-causation dept but I think I lost my slashdot account in 2004.

Nobody studying this issue, from the UK government to independent researchers to NGOs, says this anymore. PornHub in legal filings never uses this argument, but instead focuses on rights to expression rather than dispute the claim. The causation is clear, documented, proven. Increased pornography exposure with dangerous behaviors, causes those dangerous behaviors to be repeated, even when participants are warned of t…

So what? The problem here would be if these activities are nonconsensual. I've seen no evidence of that. If you're just trying to thought police ideas that lead to people doing risky things you better drop your clutching pearls and pick up a pencil cause that's a long list, some of which are probably things you do.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by array_key_first »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #98
btown wrote: post #61

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One aspect of this normalization of photo uploading is that, if a platform allows user-generated content that can splash a modal to kids, a bad actor can do things like say “you need to re-verify or you’ll lose all your in-game currency, go here” and then collect photo identification without even needing to compromise identity verification providers! I truly fear the harm that will be done before legislators realize…

The fundamental question that needs answering is: should we actually prevent minors below the age of X from accessing social media site Y? Is the harm done significant enough to warrant providing parents with a technical solution for giving them control over which sites their X-aged child signs up, and a solution that like actually works? Obviously pinky-swear "over 13?" checkboxes don't work, so this currently does…

The real solution, IMO, is a second internet. Domain names will be whitelisted, not blacklisted, and you must submit an application to some body or something.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by drnick1 »

If this is about porn or other content deemed age-sensitive, the moment it becomes difficult to source through "official," mainstream platforms, the content will move underground (P2P networks), making it even more difficult to analyze and regulate. So this is a very shortsighted move.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by array_key_first »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #103
john01dav wrote: post #99

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> combined with studies showing there is zero safe threshold without brain damage markers in the blood? Are you saying that there's zero safe threshold of choking, or for viewing porn? (To be clear, choking someone without consent is assault and unacceptable, whether a blood test shows damage or not.)

A. There is zero safe threshold for choking. B. Choking is inherently, obviously, dangerous. C. Pornography has caused choking behaviors among youth to go from negligible to over 38%. D. Brain damage is measurable in anyone who has been choked. E. As such, pornography does, in fact, have blame for encouraging this kind of experimentation. F. If "fighting words" and "misinformation" shouldn't be free speech, who is to…

The argument I commonly hear of pornography causing more extreme sexual experimentation is a very weak one. I know, for sure, pornography did not cause me to be a homosexual.

Kinks, BDSM, and what have you, have always existed and will continue to exist. The solution is teaching safe ways to participate, and the importance of consent. A desire to just wipe them out is naive, and will not work.

Re: So, you’ve hit an age gate. What now?

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Post by autoexec »

miki123211 wrote: post #70

> Even though there’s no way to implement mandated age gates in a way that fully protects speech and privacy rights I think the EFF would have more success spreading their message if they didn't outright lie in their blog posts. While cryptographic digital ID schemes have their problems (which they address below), they do fully protect privacy rights. So do extremely simple systems like selling age-verification scrat…

> So do extremely simple systems like selling age-verification scratchcards in grocery stores

Which stores sell age-verification scratchcards? How do you make sure they can't be traced back to the person who paid for them or where they were purchased from? How would a website know the person using the card is the same person who paid for them? It may be a simple system, but it still sounds ineffective, dangerous, and unnecessary.

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