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Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by clarkmoody »

mingus88 wrote: post #81
everdrive wrote: post #68

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It's important to note, that the law is not written such that it's only illegal to share classified information when you have a good president. I think a lot of us are very sympathetic when classified information is released to the public due to public interest, concern regarding government action, etc. But it's still illegal. I'm not making a moral claim here. Rather, people who release classified information withou…

Soap box > ballot box > jury box > ammo box We are on step 3

The ballot has always been a proxy for the bayonet.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by vel0city »

mywittyname wrote: post #360
dabluecaboose wrote: post #56

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[flagged]

> The American Left has spent the better part of the last century attacking the 2nd Amendment, limiting firearms ownership, and portraying gun owners as paranoid losers. That would drive many on-the-fence gun owners away from supporting them. No we didn't. Promoting safe and conscientious gun ownership is a good thing, and it's the right thing for society. It's actually a pretty common feeling among gun owners. But g…

"Hell yes, we are going to take your AR-15, your AK-47"

The words of the last Democrat that seemed to really have a chance to win a senator seat in my state. His support really dropped after such a statement in this state.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by KaiserPro »

toomanyrichies wrote: post #137
blhack wrote: post #102

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I think you're talking about Renee Good - who is the other person?

His name was Keith Porter. [1] Relatedly, here's a fuller list of recent shootings by immigration agents. [2] 1. https://www.foxla.com/news/ice-shooting-keith-porter-northri... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shootings_by_U.S._immi...

I'm not quite sure why this is being voted down.

But as an outsider, its really not normal for agents of the state to detain people without legal basis. much less deliberatly make sure they can't be found. (citizen or not.)

You as a US citizen are not required to carry ID, so being arrested on the spot for not having proof of citizenship is grossly authoritarian.

Not to mention shooting someone in the street.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by tracker1 »

dugidugout wrote: post #292
pcaharrier wrote: post #241

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>So in this case the government is raiding the home of someone who did not commit any crime, in the hopes of getting at people who might have. I looked at a lot of search warrant affidavits in a previous job and there's really nothing all that unusual about this aspect (doing it to a member of the press or doing it on a pretext are separate issues that I'm not commenting on). Police execute search warrants at other l…

I appreciate the added nuance here and would like to hear your comments on the seperate issue of doing this to a member of the press, or better, the sepcific pretext presented by the reporting: > The warrant, she said, was executed “at the home of a Washington Post journalist who was obtaining and reporting classified and illegally leaked information from a Pentagon contractor. The leaker is currently behind bars.” >…

You'd have to be able to read minds if you want to establish a pretext. There are perfectly valid reasons, such as evidence collection against the accused party, to perform the search/raid.

I do wish that the law provided for concepts of minimal damage and repair should there be actual damage (not just creating a mess) that doesn't result in evidence. ie: if you tear open drywall, there better be something behind drywall that was collected as evidence.

However, that's not the case, and even civilly it's hard to collect damages even when it's the "wrong house"... though thatt's one of the few exceptions I've seen... also, iirc, there's been some 4th amendment arguments to construe having to pay for use/damages, not sure where that has landed.

IANAL.

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Post by quickthrowman »

rkagerer wrote: post #351
pcaharrier wrote: post #241

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>So in this case the government is raiding the home of someone who did not commit any crime, in the hopes of getting at people who might have. I looked at a lot of search warrant affidavits in a previous job and there's really nothing all that unusual about this aspect (doing it to a member of the press or doing it on a pretext are separate issues that I'm not commenting on). Police execute search warrants at other l…

...they don't get paid to help you clean up afterwards. Could you litigate to recover the costs and repair any damage done? Is there case law around what is a reasonable level of dishevelment?

Unlikely. Similarly, if the fire department has to use an axe to chop your door open to respond to a fire call, it’s your responsibility to replace the door.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by Teever »

afavour wrote: post #280
quietbritishjim wrote: post #150

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You are severely misreading why people flag posts about that discuss the administration (whether for or against): they are tiresome to read about, and it doesn't lead to productive interesting discussion (which is supposed to be what the vote buttons are for here). Politics isn't 100% off topic for HN but mostly I come here to get away from it and I'm sure others do too.

I understand the instinct to remove "politics" from HN but it's fuzzier than that. There were great HN-related conversations to be had around DOGE and what it was (purportedly) trying to achieve with automation, AI, replacing old code bases etc. There was a fascinating discussion about COBOL and what DOGE didn't understand and it immediately got flagged off the front page. Same thing recently with Grok and non-consen…

The no politics rule on HN is the equivalent of "the suspect smelled like marijuana so I had probable cause to search his car." -- it gives the moderators a plausible reason to remove content they don't want on here while maintaining an air of legitimacy around the removable because thems the rules.

Donald Trump has threatened to annex my country. Are posts about that political? Sure doesn't seem like it to me. From my persective this subject seems more like an existential threat then a discussion about policy. But I suppose to Americans it is just a matter of policy and politcs.

The incessent posts about Bay Area housing regulations -- political or not? Seems pretty political to me but apparently it isn't?

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by vel0city »

peab wrote: post #194
njovin wrote: post #138

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I don't know if it's fair to say we're chilling - there have been fairly organized (although admittedly not very large) protests around the nation related to the killing of Nicole Renee Good. I live in southern California and there were at least 6 within easy driving distance this past weekend. Whenever ICE goes into a new city, they're meeting more and more community resistance. The protestors have mostly been very…

I understand protesting ICE for better accountability, they certainly need to be held accountable. But I don't understand those who protest the presence of ICE as a concept. Are there any countries that don't enforce their immigration laws?

> Are there any countries that don't enforce their immigration laws?

I don't think there are many developed countries where their immigration officers are routinely tear gassing students and bystanders, no. I don't think there are many developed countries where their immigration officers are detaining indigenous peoples in private, for-profit detention centers without charging them with any kind of crime.

Feel free to point out other developed countries where this is now just a routine occurrence though.

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Post by ActorNightly »

tuna74 wrote: post #329
ActorNightly wrote: post #300

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Calling out does nothing. Everyone is aware of the issues. The problem is nobody is willing to use their constitutional right to fight for justice, because everyone is deathly afraid of losing even a little bit of their comfortable life. If people were more willing to use the rights given to them by a specific amendment, none of this would happen.

A lot of people are doing that. Every protester against ICE is doing exactly what you described. Some have been murdered for it.

wrong amendment

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Post by Ancapistani »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #83

Keep your eyes on protecting the midterms from interference... re ICE / militias etc. I encourage governors to call up their State's National Guards to protect their State's electoral systems from Federal intrusion and extremist militia groups. This move is founded in the most republican of urges: State Sovereignty. (btw, I'd even consider that as a move in Minneapolis, right now).

I'm very much present in "right wing circles", and I've seen exactly zero mention of "militias" being involved in anything whatsoever. They are just as politically radioactive as they've always been.

Where are you getting this?

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by stevenwoo »

edot wrote: post #2

"Natanson said her work had led to 1,169 new sources, “all current or former federal employees who decided to trust me with their stories”. She said she learned information “people inside government agencies weren’t supposed to tell me”, saying that the intensity of the work nearly “broke” her." Wow. So they're going to plug her phone in to whatever cracking tech they have and pull down the names of everyone who has…

There’s a subreddit dedicated to fed employee opinions so I assume they already identified all active posters by now and the direct contacts are being correlated.
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