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Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by TimTheTinker »

eli wrote: post #250
snowwrestler wrote: post #88

To clarify why it’s aggressive: federal employees have a legal duty to secure classified information, but everyone else does not. Reporters are not federal employees and it’s not illegal for them to have or discuss classified materials. Most of what Snowden leaked was classified, and remains classified to this day , but you and I can read about it on Wikipedia. The government pursued Snowden because he was legally ob…

Sure, though the government routinely searches the personal property of innocent people if they think that search will yield information about a suspect. The issue here is the American tradition of a free press and the legitimate role of leaks in a free country. The PBS article is a bit better on context: > The Justice Department over the years has developed, and revised, internal guidelines governing how it will res…

> the government routinely searches the personal property of innocent people if they think that search will yield information about a suspect.

If that's true, it's a direct violation of the fourth amendment. I'll paste it here for convenience:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by aftbit »

joering2 wrote: post #60
alsetmusic wrote: post #31

It'd be real cool if all the second amendment (guns) people cared as much about the first amendment (free speech and freedom of press). "They're gonna take my guns away!" Yet that never happens. But people are being targeted for what they say, for disagreeing publicly. That's real. And a lot of "patriots" don't seem to notice or care.

Take it for whats its worth but I been good friends with someone who works in Newsom camp, and constantly goes for a bite with his team. They talk alot. The main theme now is how to use illegal immigration situation to their benefit. If Newsom is elected President, he wants to go door to door in search for illegal guns that illegals are harboring. Of course all this is BS, or in such insignificant amount that its rat…

Huh? Are you saying that if Gavin Newsom is elected, rather than turning down the rhetoric, restoring the rule of law, and taking the pressure off of the immigrants and brown people who are scapegoats of the current administration, he instead wants to commit violations of the 4th amendment under the color of searching for immigrants but _actually_ in order to find firearms that are legally owned by US citizens? Presumably in preparation for a mass violation of the 2nd amendment (aka "round 'em up boys")? And your source for this is ... you're friends with someone who works "in the Newsom camp" and you go out for lunch with them?

I'll be honest, this sounds like some crazy conspiracy theory, so I'm gonna take it for what it's worth ... nothing.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

embedding-shape wrote: post #75
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely blame the individual. Who is responsible for the system if not the individual - and the collective thereof? The fundamental problem is the citizen not being educated or caring enough about their own independence and state of being in the framework of a global economy and sovereign nation state

Similar to how we investigate and figure out airplane crashes, the system should not allow you to get into those situations in the first place, that's the solution that works across time, instead of for just individual situations. For example, how is someone who led/incited an insurrection against the government able to become head of said government? Already there, something is gravely wrong. You don't let undemocra…

So then again my question is who ultimately audits and holds the system accountable such that if the system needs to be fixed it gets fixed?

The only answer to that is the people who form the citizenry.

If the citizens cannot influence the system such that they can actually affect change on the system then they are irrelevant in it and the system needs to be replaced

As long as they continue to fail to organize then they will continue to be dominated by it

That’s just reality

There is no alternative organization that can counter the global capitalist system currently

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by cmiles74 »

iamtheworstdev wrote: post #20
edot wrote: post #2

"Natanson said her work had led to 1,169 new sources, “all current or former federal employees who decided to trust me with their stories”. She said she learned information “people inside government agencies weren’t supposed to tell me”, saying that the intensity of the work nearly “broke” her." Wow. So they're going to plug her phone in to whatever cracking tech they have and pull down the names of everyone who has…

> The following question is "what will they do with the names of the people they pull?". I'll take a shot at the answer -> Charge them with treason. Because that's the country we live in now, and most of us are just sitting by passively watching it happen.

Denaturalize and deport?

https://www.npr.org/2025/12/24/nx-s1-5649729/trump-administr...

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Post by yoyohello13 »

an0malous wrote: post #74
iamtheworstdev wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The following question is "what will they do with the names of the people they pull?". I'll take a shot at the answer -> Charge them with treason. Because that's the country we live in now, and most of us are just sitting by passively watching it happen.

There’s a good fraction of people, especially on this forum, who are actively encouraging this. Posts that criticize the administration consistently get flagged off the front page even when they’re related to tech

It's pretty shocking how many people on HN are ok with government officials killing citizens in the streets, but writing diversity statements is just too far.

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Post by srean »

prh8 wrote: post #158
andsoitis wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And there has been plenty US citizens deported under DHS. Are you sure? Do you mind linking to information / reporting about that? I have not seen any.

It's easy to not see anything if you willingly close your eyes

Or what Upton Sinclair said.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

eunoia wrote: post #73
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely blame the individual. Who is responsible for the system if not the individual - and the collective thereof? The fundamental problem is the citizen not being educated or caring enough about their own independence and state of being in the framework of a global economy and sovereign nation state

I would highly recommend the book Amusing Ourselves to Death if you are looking to understand how the populace got to the point where truth is irrelevant and nothing really matters. It helped my mental model a lot at the very least.

I’m extremely aware of amusing ourselves to death

I think we came away with very different conclusions

To me it is abject proof that individuals do not have the mental emotional or other capacity to actually behave in the modern world such that they retain their mental independence and develop a sense of personal epistemology

Humans are way too dumb and prone to propaganda to actually have a coherent society at the scale needed so that we don’t collectively kill each other through poorly identified and attributed externalities

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Post by [deleted] »

jimt1234 wrote: post #216
zzzeek wrote: post #165

"that the raid was conducted by the justice department and FBI at the request of the “department of war”, the Trump administration’s informal name for the department of defense." uh oh sounds like the Guardian is asking for a raid too

Not sure why they call the name ("Department of War") informal . Seems pretty formal to me. It's displayed on the building.

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Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by GJim »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #150
an0malous wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a good fraction of people, especially on this forum, who are actively encouraging this. Posts that criticize the administration consistently get flagged off the front page even when they’re related to tech

You are severely misreading why people flag posts about that discuss the administration (whether for or against): they are tiresome to read about, and it doesn't lead to productive interesting discussion (which is supposed to be what the vote buttons are for here). Politics isn't 100% off topic for HN but mostly I come here to get away from it and I'm sure others do too.

> Politics isn't 100% off topic for HN but mostly I come here to get away from it and I'm sure others do too.

Whilst I sympathise, it's a bit hard to avoid politics on here, when the tech oligarchs of Silicon Valley are actively supporting a corrupt administration to line their own pockets.

A statement of fact that will no doubt earn the ire of many tech-bro's.

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Post by afavour »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #150
an0malous wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a good fraction of people, especially on this forum, who are actively encouraging this. Posts that criticize the administration consistently get flagged off the front page even when they’re related to tech

You are severely misreading why people flag posts about that discuss the administration (whether for or against): they are tiresome to read about, and it doesn't lead to productive interesting discussion (which is supposed to be what the vote buttons are for here). Politics isn't 100% off topic for HN but mostly I come here to get away from it and I'm sure others do too.

I understand the instinct to remove "politics" from HN but it's fuzzier than that. There were great HN-related conversations to be had around DOGE and what it was (purportedly) trying to achieve with automation, AI, replacing old code bases etc. There was a fascinating discussion about COBOL and what DOGE didn't understand and it immediately got flagged off the front page. Same thing recently with Grok and non-consensual adult content. Folks on HN are well placed to speak knowledgeably about it yet it is instantly voted off the front page.

Difficult not to see it as folks plugging their fingers in their ears. And there are folks on here that are flagging things because they paint the administration in a bad light. There are DOGE folks here, there are Palantir folks, etc. etc., I don't think you can dismiss those motivations even if they aren't true for you personally. I think the core problem is that flagging system is too powerful and too anonymous.

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