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A Dragnet for Pee-Wee

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Re: A Dragnet for Pee-Wee

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I don't understand what they are actually doing to prevent the sale of stolen bikes through their site? I don't see anything on the bike listing or stolen bike search pages that would help with this.

Primarily community driven to raise red flags about stolen bikes. That said, it's pretty easy to look at an advertisement for a bike and know if the seller actually knows anything about it.

Hmmm, now that you mention it, that'd make a great crowdsourced feature for CL or LoveRack... a flag button for "looks stolen."

Re: A Dragnet for Pee-Wee

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

2 ideas: 1. stolen bike finder button should stand out a bit more. maybe in red (btn-danger) 2. Dont have a stolen bike but is there a way to flag listings so that other browsers know they are browsing a stolen bike. Might auth with a social network and require a couple friends to flag it as well (so individuals dont do it maliciously). But would massively improve your data and would help the community self police.

How would people identify stolen bikes that are not their own?

My thought was - recruit your friends to flag it with you. When things get stolen you normally tell your friends, who tend to be sympathetic. Better than no flagging, though I admit this can be gamed quite easily of not policed well (one set of users flagging several bikes could be of concern for example)

Re: A Dragnet for Pee-Wee

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I'm not sure it's fair to say that every bike sold on Craigslist is stolen, which is pretty much what their "stolen bike finder" tool suggests.

To then offer a classifieds tool seems a bit off... especially since there's nothing to say that stolen bikes are not being sold their either other than their word. But then, Craigslist would surely say that they don't support selling stolen goods either.

Mostly, as someone who runs one of the largest bike forums in the world, I'm unimpressed.

But as I don't like commenting negatively without at least thinking how I'd possibly do it better.

Provenance.

I would love to see something like http://velospace.org/node that provides profiles of bikes, but with the capability of registering the components too.

Such that it becomes a database of bikes over time, you'd see what bits you changed when, etc.

If your bike gets stolen then you have a record that it was yours, and you mark it as stolen and it auto-alerts the police as well as auto-searching classifieds sites. And you'd have a record of anything you changed that helps identify it.

If you sell your bike, you assign the bike to the new owner, and the bike now shows who currently owns it as well as who used to own it... the bike gets provenance. A nice history of what it looked like when, and how owns it now.

With a bicycle provenance database you combine the best of buying a bike, owning a bike and selling a bike... whilst at the same time making it very easy for people to find the bike online if it gets stolen, and very easy to find it if it gets sold online. You have the ability to prove it was yours.

So what I'd like to see are sites like velospace expand into managing the provenance of bikes and for that to be used as a major deterrent to bike theft.

Re: A Dragnet for Pee-Wee

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post #14

I'm not sure it's fair to say that every bike sold on Craigslist is stolen, which is pretty much what their "stolen bike finder" tool suggests. To then offer a classifieds tool seems a bit off... especially since there's nothing to say that stolen bikes are not being sold their either other than their word. But then, Craigslist would surely say that they don't support selling stolen goods either. Mostly, as someone w…

The "Stolen Bike Finder" doesn't list all stolen bikes, it lists all bikes for sale on online marketplaces everywhere. They're not all stolen.

If, however, your bike is stolen, you can use that tool to search for your bike among all the legitimate listings from every Craigslist and eBay.

RackLove is different from Craigslist and eBay because you are encouraged to post a story about your bike, and presumably the site owners will quickly respond to any complains about bikes with poor listings that may be stolen.

Re: A Dragnet for Pee-Wee

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post #14

I'm not sure it's fair to say that every bike sold on Craigslist is stolen, which is pretty much what their "stolen bike finder" tool suggests. To then offer a classifieds tool seems a bit off... especially since there's nothing to say that stolen bikes are not being sold their either other than their word. But then, Craigslist would surely say that they don't support selling stolen goods either. Mostly, as someone w…

We considered the "registry" angle but decided against it since it only works if everyone uses it. We wanted to build a tool that could be useful without needing any network effects to kick in.

Re: A Dragnet for Pee-Wee

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Looks like HN is cranky this morning.

I like it! A bike used to be my primary means of transportation back in the Bay Area, and I used to pay for good ones. Every single one of them got stolen. Every one. The last one I owned had a state-of-the-art lock on it, so the thieves cut the bike rack. People that don't rely on a bike seriously underestimate what it means to a bike owner when their bike is stolen; to a lot of people, it's just, "oh, you lost your toy, just go buy another one". To many bike owners, it's more like, "I just lost the ability to get around quickly."

The number one reason I don't own a bike right now is because I don't feel like putting up with it being stolen.

So this is one of those really big under-served pain points that everybody keeps saying you should look for when building a business.

priceonomics' approach makes perfect sense: make it easier to locate stolen bikes online, and build a new, centralized marketplace specifically for bikes that people will want to use (which also makes it harder for thieves to sell bikes online without the owner finding it).

Good job, guys.

Re: A Dragnet for Pee-Wee

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post #18
post #14

I'm not sure it's fair to say that every bike sold on Craigslist is stolen, which is pretty much what their "stolen bike finder" tool suggests. To then offer a classifieds tool seems a bit off... especially since there's nothing to say that stolen bikes are not being sold their either other than their word. But then, Craigslist would surely say that they don't support selling stolen goods either. Mostly, as someone w…

We considered the "registry" angle but decided against it since it only works if everyone uses it. We wanted to build a tool that could be useful without needing any network effects to kick in.

Sure, but registries don't have to just be focused on "find once stolen". Who wants to fill that in?

Velospace is a great example of a registry based on people loving their bike and wanting to share it. People use it even without the trace functionality. It didn't need to overcome any network effects, people love posting pictures of their bike online and talking about it only second to posting pictures of cats.

What I'm saying is:

Build something that has such a great utility without your bike being stolen, such that if that unfortunate event occurs you already have a record of the provenance constructed.

If someone builds that, then I will email my 22,000 London cycling contacts and tell them to put their details in. And then I will post on my forum, and then I will email other forum admins (and I know a fair few personally) and say... this is awesome, tell your users too.

And people will do it, because they love posting readers wives pictures of their bikes online and would love to do so yet again and talk about it.

And with all of the avid cyclists reached pretty quickly, the utility cyclists would follow naturally as more blogs, forums and magazines say, "use this awesome registry to keep your bike safe".

Seriously, I'd champion it. I might even build it... #4 on my list of startups to make if Microcosm fails.

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