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There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by tomcam »

RandallBrown wrote: post #20
jareds wrote: post #13

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Why do we need to ban these? I'm not trying to be contrarian, but why do some people appear to be for banning tobacco but not alcohol? I don't claim to have all the answers or even strong opinions, but if your going to ban one recreational drug with negative externalities you should ban them all. I'd much rather hear people's opinions then ask AI.

If alcohol came inside of little battery powered computers, we should ban those too. I don't think the post you're responding to is saying that vapes should be banned. Just disposable ones.

> If alcohol came inside of little battery powered computers, we should ban those too.

I too am agnostic but do not understand this reasoning. BTW let me get severely downvoted by saying that if alcohol prohibition came up for a vote I'd vote yes in a heartbeat.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by uxhacker »

GeertB wrote: post #72

For these devices the microcontroller needs to be super cheap. Microcontrollers like the Puya PY32 Series (e.g., PY32C642, PY32F002/F030) can cost in the $0.02 - $0.05 range for the kind of many-million volumes applicable for disposable vapes. These are 32-bit ARM Cortex M0 MCUs, running at a 24 MHz clock or similar, some with 24 KB of ROM and maybe 3 KB of RAM! To put into context: this is 3x the ROM/RAM of the ZX81…

The idea that people are smoking arm chips makes me laugh.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by justsomehnguy »

hahahahhaah wrote: post #35
nikcub wrote: post #31

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Did that in Australia - the problem is even worse now. Disposable vapes were a market response to banning and restricting pod vapes (where you can keep the base and just swap out the pod). Nicotine policy and policing has been a clusterf - not only are there wasteful disposable vapes everywhere, but a thriving black market that has lead to firebombings and murders.

Sounds like they didnt ban it properly. There aren't really nicotine junkies like heroin. So I suspect ban nicotine and slowly everyone stops using nicotine sources.

There were two countries in the 20th century which tried to ban alcohol. Both had a.. very lasting consequences.

You can't "just ban" it or "ban it properly". You would get a very nasty black market and things with such ban.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by [deleted] »

tomcam wrote: post #75
hammock wrote: post #68

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> more or less every non-durable product manufacturer (say, lifespan less than 5 years) should be required to take the product back at end of life and dispose of it properly Yeah, we had that. Glass milk bottles and coke bottles and bulk goods sold out of barrels by the lb rather than in plastic bags. But then plastic took off and soon after Big Sugar paid a PR/lobbying firm to run a campaign with a fake Indian cryin…

It was amazing being a kid back then because you could earn some decent coin returning bottles

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Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by lostlogin »

jaggederest wrote: post #5
smashed wrote: post #3

Many countries have deposits for single use bottles/cans but an electronic device with a lipo battery is seen as perfectly fine to throw away. These things should have 100 times the deposit amount of a can of soda with mandatory requirements for retailers to take the 'empties' back.

Why stop there? I think more or less every non-durable product manufacturer (say, lifespan less than 5 years) should be required to take the product back at end of life and dispose of it properly. Trash is an enormous externality. I'm talking about plastic clamshells, container lids, "disposable" storage containers, the lot.

I’m reading ‘The World Without Us’ by Alan’s Weisman. Last thread like this had someone recommend it (thanks!).

Every bit of plastic humans have made still exits, bar a small amount we have burnt.

That’s concerning.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by lostlogin »

venturecruelty wrote: post #77
hammock wrote: post #68

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> more or less every non-durable product manufacturer (say, lifespan less than 5 years) should be required to take the product back at end of life and dispose of it properly Yeah, we had that. Glass milk bottles and coke bottles and bulk goods sold out of barrels by the lb rather than in plastic bags. But then plastic took off and soon after Big Sugar paid a PR/lobbying firm to run a campaign with a fake Indian cryin…

Listen, we can hold Big Plastic accountable and also not throw trash out of our cars, I think.

What’s something we have managed to do this with?

Maybe the process could be emulated.

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by Domenic_S »

throw101010 wrote: post #71
jaggederest wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why stop there? I think more or less every non-durable product manufacturer (say, lifespan less than 5 years) should be required to take the product back at end of life and dispose of it properly. Trash is an enormous externality. I'm talking about plastic clamshells, container lids, "disposable" storage containers, the lot.

Switzerland has something like this for "eWaste", it's called the ARC [1] (Advance Recycling Contribution). For any electronic device you purchase a small tax is collected and used for the recycling and collection of the future waste it will generate. The collection mandatorily happens in the shops that sell electronic devices, you don't have to return them to the exact store where it was purchased, as long as they s…

We have it in California, just for monitors for some reason, but on Jan 1 a new law covering battery-embedded devices took effect. That new one specifically doesn't tax vapes (???)

https://cdtfa.ca.gov/taxes-and-fees/covered-electronic-waste...

Re: There's a ridiculous amount of tech in a disposable vape

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Post by loeg »

schrodinger wrote: post #65
hippo22 wrote: post #51

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Why is trash an "enormous externality"? Even if the retailer took it back it would still be... trash.

It's an externality because the entity that sold it to you doesn't have to pay the consequences of dealing with the trash. OP said "dispose of it properly," which could mean a lot of things, all of which are better than leaving it on a beach.

Trash disposal (to regulated landfills, not beaches) is enormously inexpensive and increasing the cost of every item through a laborious return program doesn't improve anything.
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