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Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

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For dense areas, mesh applications like BitChat (Jack Dorsey) could bypass the need for a network with p2p bluetooth mesh networks. And works with existing devices, vs something like meshtastic which needs an installed base (afaik). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitchat

Does it actually work though? My experience with Meshtastic is it’s so difficult to get a message delivered beyond the nearest hop that it’s almost useless. And Bluetooth has a significantly shorter range than LoRa.

Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

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post #10

HAM radio is your best option.

I wonder if QRP would be something?

https://hackaday.com/2016/03/08/how-low-can-you-go-the-world...

also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSPR_(amateur_radio_software) https://wsjt.sourceforge.io/wsjtx.html

plus the super simple "Fireball QRP transmitter"

https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-DX/73-magazine/73-...

Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

#23
some DNS tunneling solutions work (dnstt for example). Also, many people have smuggled Starlink are are providing proxies inside Iran.

Ideally cjdns or similar can be used inside the country to create an alternative encrypted mesh network inside the borders, with some "exit nodes" out.

Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

#24
HF radio. Highly depdendent on space weather, but generally I can communicate around the world with only 100 watts and a long wire.

Be aware though that transmitting on any radio is like turning on a giant, extremely bright light bulb directly above your antenna. Anyone with basic radio know-how will be able to hear you and locate you.

Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

#25

For dense areas, mesh applications like BitChat (Jack Dorsey) could bypass the need for a network with p2p bluetooth mesh networks. And works with existing devices, vs something like meshtastic which needs an installed base (afaik). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitchat

Does it actually work though? My experience with Meshtastic is it’s so difficult to get a message delivered beyond the nearest hop that it’s almost useless. And Bluetooth has a significantly shorter range than LoRa.

The LoRa enthusiasts in my area seem to all have moved to Meshcore, largely because of a quirk in Meshtastic's routing algorithm that doesn't handle nodes with widely varying visibility/power/noisefloor well. They report regularly getting traffic hundreds of miles. There might be a couple mountaintop repeaters in the mesh though.

For OP's situation I think runners and a store and forward system like Scuttlebutt/Briar/etc might work better. But I'd love to see a couple of thorough case studies on that kind of system, they've been around for many years targeting related scenarios.

Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

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post #24

HF radio. Highly depdendent on space weather, but generally I can communicate around the world with only 100 watts and a long wire. Be aware though that transmitting on any radio is like turning on a giant, extremely bright light bulb directly above your antenna. Anyone with basic radio know-how will be able to hear you and locate you.

I had to think for a second to realize that HF means lower frequency than VHF, not high frequency in an absolute sense.

Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think amateur radio does? Why do you think that broadcasting your location, and that you're looking to get information from somewhere other than the approved sources will end up in anything other than tragedy? What information do you think could reliably be provided with amateur radio in a situation like this?

The OP wanted a way to bypass a internet shutdown, not a perfect solution. And you know, I'm fairly sure being able to talk to the outside world makes it so that you can at least get information out to others. Pray tell, what methods do YOU have to bypass a shutdown with privacy and no reliance on ISP and resistant to jamming?

There is no privacy in amateur radio. That is not a matter of preference, it is a regulatory and physical reality.

Amateur radio transmissions are public, unencrypted, and attributable. Callsigns are required, modes and frequencies are well known, and transmissions are trivially direction-findable. In a country like Iran, where RF spectrum is actively monitored and unauthorized communications are treated as a security issue, transmitting on amateur bands is effectively broadcasting your location and intent. Direction finding is routine, fast, and does not require exotic equipment. One transmission can be enough.

In the US and most other countries, amateur radio is tightly regulated. Encryption to obscure content is explicitly prohibited. Ignoring this can result in fines, seizure of equipment, and loss of license. Foreign operators encouraging or participating in such use are not insulated from consequences simply because the target country is authoritarian.

I did not claim to have a better solution. That's the point. When the threat model includes surveillance, attribution, and enforcement, there may be no safe civilian workaround. Suggesting amateur radio in this context is not “imperfect but helpful”, it reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of what amateur radio actually is and how it is regulated.

Amateur radio can't provide privacy, safety, or reliable information flow under an active crackdown. Pretending otherwise is irresponsible.

Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

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post #24

HF radio. Highly depdendent on space weather, but generally I can communicate around the world with only 100 watts and a long wire. Be aware though that transmitting on any radio is like turning on a giant, extremely bright light bulb directly above your antenna. Anyone with basic radio know-how will be able to hear you and locate you.

I had to think for a second to realize that HF means lower frequency than VHF, not high frequency in an absolute sense.

It's very silly that "high frequency" is among the lowest frequencies, and that we wound up with Very, Ultra, Super, Extremely, and Tremendously High Frequencies!

Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

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post #24

HF radio. Highly depdendent on space weather, but generally I can communicate around the world with only 100 watts and a long wire. Be aware though that transmitting on any radio is like turning on a giant, extremely bright light bulb directly above your antenna. Anyone with basic radio know-how will be able to hear you and locate you.

I had to think for a second to realize that HF means lower frequency than VHF, not high frequency in an absolute sense.

Back in ye olden days, HF was really high! What we'd consider today to be near useless due to limited bandwidth and insane antenna requirements were once the primary frequencies for communications.

Re: Ask HN: Iran's 120h internet shutdown, phones back. How to stay resilient?

#30
Couriers and USB flash drives can be pretty effective. They're high latency but can be very high bandwidth. Look at the El Paquete network in Cuba[0] as inspiration. Self-contained HTML/JavaScript SPAs can provide navigation and the likes of TiddlyWiki[1] can allow for collaboration. A network of couriers can move as fast as road traffic and distribute stuff pretty widely.

Contents can be re-shared locally over ad-hoc or mesh WiFi networks even without Internet access.

Encryption and steganography can obscure the contents of drives from casual inspection. You can stuff a lot of extraneous data in Office XML documents that are just zip files and look innocuous when opened.

1. For current events content add descriptions, locations, and timestamps to everything. The recipients need that context.

2. Even unencrypted files can be verified with cryptographic signatures. These can be distributed on separate channels including Bluetooth file transfers.

3. Include offline installers for browsers like Dillo or Firefox. Favor plain text formats where possible. FAT32 has the broadest support in terms of file system for the flash drives. Batch, PowerShell, and bash scripts can also be effective in doing more complex things while not needing local installation or invasive installations on people's computers.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paquete_Semanal

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiddlyWiki

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