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Re: HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip

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Post by delecti »

Gracana wrote: post #82
delecti wrote: post #75

I don't want one, but all the skepticism is weird. I can see it making sense for hot desking office workers, or other similar. When I worked from home at my last job, I kept the laptop closed and out of sight and just connected my own monitors. Most people aren't picky about keyboards, so this seems like a perfectly reasonable product for plenty of people.

It would work, but is it any better than existing options like a little computer on the desk, a computer on the back of the monitor, or an AIO PC? I dunno. I like it. I think it's neat. I won't buy one, but I look forward to the Cathode Ray Dude episode about it 25 years from now.

Well I did mention hot desking, and the options you mention definitely aren't as convenient for that. They also can't match some of the benefits this thing brings by including a battery.

Re: HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip

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Post by clnhlzmn »

stanfordkid wrote: post #95

Cool to see some innovation from HP, this is actually unique and fills a niche of going from desk to desk (home->office), without needing mobile. Much better than ripping off the latest aluminum MacBook designs.

If this is better than a laptop for mobile work why include the keyboard? Why not just make it a tiny box with a single USB C connector to plug into the dock on your home and work desks? Since you already must have monitors and mice at those locations (or bring them with you) I'm failing to see the point of including the keyboard in this package (except of course to be able to advertise the "copilot key")

Re: HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip

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Post by clnhlzmn »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #59
Nextgrid wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the advantages of this over a laptop (this is essentially laptop-grade hardware and thermal profile but without the screen & battery).

Companies often have flex offices with docking stations. So previously you would have a screen, mouse and keyboard at every desk and people would move a laptop (ignoring its low res screen and bad keyboard). Here you would have just a screen at every desk and people move their mouse and keyboard. Also, this does have a battery.

So instead of carrying a slightly larger but perfectly useful computer (a laptop) I have to carry a smaller but useless keyboard and mouse for the benefit of not having a keyboard and mouse sitting on a desk when the desk isn't being used? I still don't get it.

I could see the benefit if this thing dropped the keyboard entirely to make it as small as possible but still I'd rather just carry a small laptop.

Re: HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip

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Post by bilekas »

Karliss wrote: post #98
bilekas wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's 100% the same for Apple machines, > Requires Microsoft account to log in. Where Copilot is not available, the Copilot key will lead to the Bing search engine. An Apple account is most certainly not needed to log in. In-fact being online is not even a requirement for Apple devices. Wild idea, I know.

Windows11 making it hard to create a local account is a separate topic. The fine print notes refer to to specific features. In this cases it's "4." for Copilot. You don't need apple account if you are fine with not using half the features listed in the marketing page for apple hardware. If you looked at the bottom of page for any of apple computers you will see similar fine print. For example https://www.apple.com/ma…

> Windows11 making it hard to create a local account is a separate topic.

Hard is a generous take. They litterally removed their offline phone mode.

> You don't need apple account if you are fine with not using half the features listed in the marketing page for apple hardware.

Can you name the hardware features? Because Apple take the approach of opt-in in my experience. And don't get me wrong.. I'm adamantly pro choice.

Features are one thing. Getting installed without an account is another thing. Imagine now you buy a laptopwith windows, you can activate it until you connect to the internet.

Apple, buy a notebook. Install the os. Nice airgapped system to test with.

Added software is another story. You're conflating the two I feel.

> You don't need apple account if you are fine with not using half the features listed in the marketing page

I want an OS I paid for. Why should I connect to your CNC?

Re: HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip

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Post by toyg »

bilekas wrote: post #105
Karliss wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows11 making it hard to create a local account is a separate topic. The fine print notes refer to to specific features. In this cases it's "4." for Copilot. You don't need apple account if you are fine with not using half the features listed in the marketing page for apple hardware. If you looked at the bottom of page for any of apple computers you will see similar fine print. For example https://www.apple.com/ma…

> Windows11 making it hard to create a local account is a separate topic. Hard is a generous take. They litterally removed their offline phone mode. > You don't need apple account if you are fine with not using half the features listed in the marketing page for apple hardware. Can you name the hardware features? Because Apple take the approach of opt-in in my experience. And don't get me wrong.. I'm adamantly pro cho…

> They litterally removed their offline phone mode.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/s/ifseb3L17G

> buy a notebook. Install the os. Nice airgapped system to test with.

Whereas Microsoft provides testing images, so you don't need to kill the planet just to test if a link really looks blue.

Why are you trying so hard to apologise for one of the worst corporations in the world? They are all bad and they all want the same things from you (money and personal data); they just go about it in slightly different ways.

Re: HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip

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Post by toyg »

wolrah wrote: post #60
toyg wrote: post #34

I actually love the concept. It's effectively like the iMac, except more flexible and serviceable - great for kiosks and shared workstations. One could also couple it with AR glasses like the XREAL One and have portable computing but more immersive (although it looks a little big for that). I don't understand the scepticism - surely it's good that we see some experimentation again on the form factor of computing, we…

> great for kiosks and shared workstations. Absolutely not. For a kiosk, I want everything the user is touching to be effectively disposable. Keyboards and mice are cheap and trivial to replace, this design integrates the most important part of the system in to one of the easiest parts to damage/steal. It's possibly the worst way to do a kiosk. For a shared workstation, likewise if I'm the user I want to be able to b…

> Perhaps if it were a nice mechanical board with swappable keyswitches

Are you serious? 99% of computer users don't even know those words.

Re: HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip

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Post by tonymet »

delecti wrote: post #75

I don't want one, but all the skepticism is weird. I can see it making sense for hot desking office workers, or other similar. When I worked from home at my last job, I kept the laptop closed and out of sight and just connected my own monitors. Most people aren't picky about keyboards, so this seems like a perfectly reasonable product for plenty of people.

i've traveled with a Raspi + bt keyboard for this reason. Lighter, and far more durable. I don't mind stowing it in checked duffel bag. I would never put my laptop in checked luggage, certainly not a duffel

Re: HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip

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Post by tonymet »

bilekas wrote: post #18

> Launch Microsoft Copilot in Windows with a touch of the Copilot key,4 to write content, analyze data, and stay organized. Oh thank goodness. This whole product idea is further trying to gatekeep computing hardware. You will pay a cloud subscription to perform anything remotely computationally taxing.

this is easily disabled with 1 click.

Re: HP Reveals Keyboard Computer with Ryzen AI Chip

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Post by tonymet »

clnhlzmn wrote: post #102
stanfordkid wrote: post #95

Cool to see some innovation from HP, this is actually unique and fills a niche of going from desk to desk (home->office), without needing mobile. Much better than ripping off the latest aluminum MacBook designs.

If this is better than a laptop for mobile work why include the keyboard? Why not just make it a tiny box with a single USB C connector to plug into the dock on your home and work desks? Since you already must have monitors and mice at those locations (or bring them with you) I'm failing to see the point of including the keyboard in this package (except of course to be able to advertise the "copilot key")

The battery + thermals give you either a large cube (like a Beelink++) or cigarette carton. It's wise to go with a cigarette carton and include a keyboard.

Especially since remote work took off, offices are full of vacant workstations. Why drag a small monitor around when you can hook into a 32'' monitor at the office?

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