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Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by peab »

anthonypasq wrote: post #137
Ritewut wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually the definition of competition. You are just being drowned by AI music so no one can discover your music. Steam had the same issue years ago with asset flips drowning out the discoverability of actual titles and they implemented many curating tools to help resolve the issue. Acting like AI music isn't having a similar effort on genuine musicians is just playing dumb.

if no one wants the slop, then its not competition. the problem is that people do actually want the slop and artists are mad about it.

but people do want it. people who listen to top 40 want slop. most people want slop

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by Isamu »

don-code wrote: post #123

A few months ago I spoke with the frontman of a local Boston band from the 1980s, who recently re-released a single with the help of AI. The source material was a compact cassette tape from a demo, found in a drawer. He used AI to isolate what would've been individual tracks from the recording, then cleaned them up individually, without AI's help. Does that constitute "wholly or in substantial part"? Would the track…

>The source material was a compact cassette tape from a demo, found in a drawer.

Was this demo his, or someone else’s IP? If he is cleaning up or modifying his own property, not a lot of people have a problem with that.

If it is someone else’s work, then modifying with AI doesn’t change that.

I think they just don’t want AI generated works that only mash up the work of other artists, which is the default of AI generated stuff.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by codexon »

BrokrnAlgorithm wrote: post #79

I'm a musician, but am also pretty amused by this anti ai wave. There was recently a post referencing aphex twin and old school idm and electronic music stuff and i can't help bein reminded how every new tech kit got always demonized until some group of artists came along and made it there own. Even if its just creative prompting, or perhaps custom trained models, someday someone will come along and make a genuine ar…

I find it interesting that there's so much pushback against ai generated art and music while there seems to be very little for ai generated code.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by terminalbraid »

sharkjacobs wrote: post #164

I'm not ideologically opposed to making music with AI, but the dream would be new songs which which showcase the new sounds and musical forms that AI enables, like Believe for autotune, or Rumble for electric guitar, or Autobahn for synths. I want a friend to message me like "Hey, there's some interesting stuff happening in the AI music scene, check out these tracks". But everything I've seen is pastiche, either nove…

> new sounds and musical forms

Has it done this? Or does it just make things that sound like what it's trained on?

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by mcpar-land »

anthonypasq wrote: post #120
drittich wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also a musician and I don't think it's that amusing. IMO this isn't an "AI can't be art" discussion. It's about the fact that AI can be used to extract value from other artists' work without consent, and then out-compete them on volume by flooding the marketplace.

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Spotify has a history of intentionally boosting internally produced, royalty-free and/or AI music over actual artists.

https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machin...

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by rfw300 »

don-code wrote: post #123

A few months ago I spoke with the frontman of a local Boston band from the 1980s, who recently re-released a single with the help of AI. The source material was a compact cassette tape from a demo, found in a drawer. He used AI to isolate what would've been individual tracks from the recording, then cleaned them up individually, without AI's help. Does that constitute "wholly or in substantial part"? Would the track…

The example you present seems fairly straightforward to my intuition, but I think your point is fair.

A harder set of hypotheticals might arise if music production goes the direction that software engineering is heading: “agentic work”, whereby a person is very much involved in the creation of a work, but more by directing an AI agent than by orchestrating a set of non-AI tools.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by cess11 »

don-code wrote: post #123

A few months ago I spoke with the frontman of a local Boston band from the 1980s, who recently re-released a single with the help of AI. The source material was a compact cassette tape from a demo, found in a drawer. He used AI to isolate what would've been individual tracks from the recording, then cleaned them up individually, without AI's help. Does that constitute "wholly or in substantial part"? Would the track…

You don't make it clear whether the music on that tape was "generated" "by AI", only that it was post-processed in such a way.

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by ffsm8 »

codexon wrote: post #183
BrokrnAlgorithm wrote: post #79

I'm a musician, but am also pretty amused by this anti ai wave. There was recently a post referencing aphex twin and old school idm and electronic music stuff and i can't help bein reminded how every new tech kit got always demonized until some group of artists came along and made it there own. Even if its just creative prompting, or perhaps custom trained models, someday someone will come along and make a genuine ar…

I find it interesting that there's so much pushback against ai generated art and music while there seems to be very little for ai generated code.

What???

Every thread on HN that touches on the topic has countless people talking about how LLM generated code is always bad, buggy and people that utilize them are inexperienced juniors that don't understand anything.

And they're not completely wrong. If you don't know what you're doing, you'll absolutely create dumster fires instead of software

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by newman8r »

zdragnar wrote: post #64
newman8r wrote: post #50

If I have an exact idea of what I want something to sound like, and I'm able to use an automated system to create that, is that creative expression? Obviously AI isn't entirely capable of that, but eventually with BCI devices it might be. I've spent many hours learning to play guitar and ukulele but I'm really not very good, and probably never will be - but I can hear the music in my head I want to create. I'm not in…

> We want musicians to keep making music, and for fans to have confidence that the music they find on Bandcamp was created by humans. It sounds like bandcamp is not the right place for what you want to do. There's plenty of ways to do what you're looking for though!

Agreed, I'm just pondering the general attitude around the space rather than bandcamp itself

Re: AI generated music barred from Bandcamp

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Post by fallinditch »

At first I was just curious, and unimpressed with the horridly bland shite coming out of these AI music generators. But then I made a prompt that sparked some kind of magic, so now I want to finish off that track just to see if I can end up with something that I consider good.

I don't hold it much hope for this track because everything else I've heard on suno and udio are rubbish, but the 1 minute preview I have is enticing me to spend 8 bucks just so I can experiment a bit more.

I feel somewhat conflicted by my fascination because I have a great love for music and I wholeheartedly support efforts to restrict AI music crap.

But as the tools mature, the creative possibilities to make new sounds with finer control and granularity will make the process more ... creative - with greater human input.

I'm sure we'll end up with new styles and maybe even new genres that originate from prompts, and hits too. Is this a good thing to look forward to? I can see my future listening habits become strictly human only, but dang, the start of my new track sounds so dope!

I applaud Bandcamp's stance here and I will always look for ways to meaningfully support real musicians.

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