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Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

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Re: Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

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It's funny, early on it says > The O-1 category includes the O-1A, which is designated for individuals with extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business or athletics and the O-1B, reserved for those with “extraordinary ability or achievement”. Then later it says > The O-1B visa, once reserved for Hollywood titans and superstar musicians, has evolved over the years. I understand those two aren't necessar…

Tale as old as time.

Dial M for Melania.

Re: Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

#113

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Entertainment is an industry :) It would be unwise to filter out the fun people. We'd all become a bunch of unfun nerds.

Sir, this is HN. Being an unfun nerd is practically a prerequisite.

Speak for yourself :)

Re: Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

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At what point do we ever ask ourselves -- "what kind of culture do we want to create for the future of our country?" I don't think a pro soccer player is comparable to an onlyfans contributor. I would much prefer my future kids to be inspired by Cristiano Ronaldo than someone baring themselves on camera.

The other replies to this show a form of argumentation that's always fascinated me. You say "We should encourage X over Y" and the retorts are * "Y will still exist" * "Y can still be encouraged separately" * "You should tell me the difference between X and Y" * "Hey, I found an X that sometimes acts vaguely similar to Y!" None directly disagree with the original point, but they do imply fault in the original reasoni…

It is disappointing that it is so easy to bamboozle HNers with a straw man argument.

The original poster was clearly not making an analogy between professional soccer and only fans creators.

To be explicit, the comparisons were:

Cinematic actors -> TikTok creators

Victoria’s Secret model -> only fans creator

Pro soccer -> esports

I fail to see how the culture of our country will be negatively impacted by any of those changes. Comparing Cristiano Renaldo to OnlyFans is a straw man because that specific comparison was never suggested, except by the “rebuttal”

Re: Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

#115

Good lord at some of these comments. Sex work is work. Stop imposing your personal morals on others. You sound like a bunch of incels.

Whatever the case may be, this has nothing to do with morals, but rather with classification of it as an "extraordinary" ability. Talking about that, instead of seething and name-calling, you could show us your extraordinary ability to go back to Reddit.

Re: Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

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post #53

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At what point do we ever ask ourselves -- "what kind of culture do we want to create for the future of our country?" I don't think a pro soccer player is comparable to an onlyfans contributor. I would much prefer my future kids to be inspired by Cristiano Ronaldo than someone baring themselves on camera.

If what you’re just concerned about people “baring themselves on camera” then they can continue to do that without emigrating to America and it would still affect your culture. The internet is global after all. Also, it’s going to take more than a few thousand immigrants a year to affect the culture of a country as populous as America.

i mean you said it yourself, the internet is global. those few thousand can have impressions of hundreds of millions. whether they do their cam shows abroad or local matters little. it's the inherent incentivization approved by a government that leads to deeper cultural erosion. if you're in a poor country with no access to education, and your only way into the US is porn, then that's what will ultimately win, rather than incentivizing higher education, etc. And before an argument is made that this will just be a way to get in and then those folks will go and seek PHDs and be productive members of society--i have a bridge to sell you.

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I have no judgement on these models. Everyone can make money through legal means as they deem fit. But at the same time, the immigration system historically penalized anyone who engages in prostitution and actively denied entry to people found to be engaged in it. There is an explicit question about this in all immigration forms. Which is why it’s surprising that O-1 visas are being awarded to OnlyFans models. Maybe…

Disclaimer: I don't mean this comment as an insult to you or anyone else here. It's meant to be slightly tongue in cheek. I hate to be that person, but the fact that so many people on HN think OF is prostitution is revealing of the site's demographics (i.e. older). It is, as some may put it, boomer thinking. You're misunderstanding what these people - esports athletes, successful streamers, influencers, OF models etc…

There's a strong parasocial element to traditional prostitution, although it's used more by high-end "escorts" who deliberately cultivate conversational skills. So none of this is new.

"My default strategy was this: I would invite the man in, we’d sit down and talk for a while. I’d establish physical contact in the conversation by touching his hand when laughing at a joke, or crossing my leg so it bumped into his. I would become increasingly charmed, utterly fascinated by his life, and I asked him to explain to me concepts I already knew (remember, they like you smart in order to validate their identity as a man who likes smart women, and they still love teaching you things)."

https://knowingless.com/2021/10/19/becoming-a-whorelord-the-...

Re: Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have no judgement on these models. Everyone can make money through legal means as they deem fit. But at the same time, the immigration system historically penalized anyone who engages in prostitution and actively denied entry to people found to be engaged in it. There is an explicit question about this in all immigration forms. Which is why it’s surprising that O-1 visas are being awarded to OnlyFans models. Maybe…

Disclaimer: I don't mean this comment as an insult to you or anyone else here. It's meant to be slightly tongue in cheek. I hate to be that person, but the fact that so many people on HN think OF is prostitution is revealing of the site's demographics (i.e. older). It is, as some may put it, boomer thinking. You're misunderstanding what these people - esports athletes, successful streamers, influencers, OF models etc…

> I hate to be that person, but the fact that so many people on HN think OF is prostitution is revealing of the site's demographics (i.e. older). It is, as some may put it, boomer thinking.

Well it's not non-existent either, there are a fair number of onlyfans models (and also general actors in the field of pornography who do the same) who do escorting on the side.

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