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Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by WmWsjA6B29B4nfk »

prodigycorp wrote: post #98
WmWsjA6B29B4nfk wrote: post #63

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If you are planning anyway to break the terms of the license and effectively steal the software, why even bother paying something for the privilege? Just get it for free, surely it has to be available cracked

Spare me the morality play. Apple gifted Donald Trump a 24k gold statue! They will gift me an educational discount to Final Cut Pro.

There was no morality play. My point is your copy/use of software is equally "illegal" whether you just download a cracked copy or pretend to be an active college student and pay the student price, when you are not in fact an active college student. Either way, you won't have a valid license. So why bother paying?

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by thecupisblue »

Towaway69 wrote: post #68
thecupisblue wrote: post #21

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That's actually surprisingly cheap compared to other subscriptions in the industry, especially for such a high powered suite.

Undercut the competition until there is no competition, then raise prices or have I missed something? Ah, yes - cross finance your loses by selling compute in your own data centres / hosting service because you can.

I would assume it's because younger generations of creatives are using their software less and less, increasing the risk of losing the market completely on the software side. At this pricing, more of them will turn to paying Apple rather than paying for multiple services, keeping them tied into the ecosystem.

Also so many people are paying for Canva, Capcut etc that taking a piece of that cake is quite a low hanging fruit if you have a distribution platform.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by anticorporate »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #52
tapoxi wrote: post #25

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Yeah but this is $129/yr, that's significantly cheaper

It’s cheap enough it’s not enough to fund development of Final Cut but also not enough money to bother spending time on it. Find it odd personally, just offering them free to keep hardware makes more sense than trying to push a tiny subscription revenue number.

It's the problem that the whole industry is facing - the current generation of hardware is sufficient that hardware refreshes will continue to decline, and companies that want to keep milking us for money regularly need to find a new way to do it.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

#104

Post by prodigycorp »

WmWsjA6B29B4nfk wrote: post #101
prodigycorp wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spare me the morality play. Apple gifted Donald Trump a 24k gold statue! They will gift me an educational discount to Final Cut Pro.

There was no morality play. My point is your copy/use of software is equally "illegal" whether you just download a cracked copy or pretend to be an active college student and pay the student price, when you are not in fact an active college student. Either way, you won't have a valid license. So why bother paying?

I mean, why not? I barely use FCP, sometimes to trim a movie in places. I'm still going to be subsiding other users. I'd rather not pirate.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

#105

Post by embedding-shape »

fooqux wrote: post #99
embedding-shape wrote: post #64

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It's pretty clever that they keep the "pay one time" option still alive while announcing the availability of subscription, so anyone who says "Boo, not you too Apple" can easily be shut down with "You still have the option to buy it!" instead of leaving those critics without answers. Of course, they'll eventually remove the option to buy the software by paying once, I think everyone can see the writing on the wall, b…

> but still clever of them to choose to do it later for PR purposes. 1-0 to Apple :) They're doing it because it makes them more money. Corporations are not your friend.

Yes, of course, ultimately every choice they ever do is for money, because they're a for-profit company. But maybe we can be slightly more granular about exactly how that choice makes them more money, which is because it gives them good PR. I was just being more specific, but we're saying the same thing :)

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by Plasmoid2000ad »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #87
embedding-shape wrote: post #64

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It's pretty clever that they keep the "pay one time" option still alive while announcing the availability of subscription, so anyone who says "Boo, not you too Apple" can easily be shut down with "You still have the option to buy it!" instead of leaving those critics without answers. Of course, they'll eventually remove the option to buy the software by paying once, I think everyone can see the writing on the wall, b…

Office 365 - the subscription version of Office - was released in 2011. Microsoft still offers a one time purchase of Office. There is precedent for Bigcorp keeping a one time purchase version and offer a prescription.

Yes - but perpetual purchases have an interesting gotcha that Microsoft didn't realise at first. To encourage subscription over perpetual, ongoing or evergreen updates are limited to subscription version.

Office 2024 has every feature that was added since Office 2021 to the subscription version - while a chunk of loyal customers are unaware of them. Back when Google was competing hard with Google Suite, a big perception problem formed with the perpetual customers believing and convincing others that Google were far ahead, with collab editing and other features - after Office had added equivalent.

So for me, If there's a subscription and one-time option - I wonder if the one-time gets all updates going forward. If it doesn't, I realise that they'll regret that if competition picks up, and try to fix it later. If it does include updates... I worry it will be like many other lifetime updates one-time purchases - when competition is low they'll renege on that promise.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

#108

Post by stanmancan »

fooqux wrote: post #99
embedding-shape wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty clever that they keep the "pay one time" option still alive while announcing the availability of subscription, so anyone who says "Boo, not you too Apple" can easily be shut down with "You still have the option to buy it!" instead of leaving those critics without answers. Of course, they'll eventually remove the option to buy the software by paying once, I think everyone can see the writing on the wall, b…

> but still clever of them to choose to do it later for PR purposes. 1-0 to Apple :) They're doing it because it makes them more money. Corporations are not your friend.

Parent isn’t insinuating otherwise. They’re saying the subscription model is more lucrative, so eventually they’ll remove the one time payment option, but keeping it as an option for the announcement keeps the bad PR at bay.

Re: Apple Creator Studio

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Post by qn9n »

eurekin wrote: post #29
pjmlp wrote: post #5

I am still waiting for "XCode for iPadOS", where we can have a Smalltalk like approach to development, beyond what Swift Playgrounds allows for.

I played once with hosting a VSCode server on a raspberry pi for general development and it was actually quite powerful, when used from an iPad. Just not strictly for Swift unfortunately

The ecosystem is fine for non-Apple development. It's just building apps for iOS, macOS, etc. that is impossible on iPad right now past some basic applications.
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