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The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Dylan16807 »

microtherion wrote: post #80
mh2266 wrote: post #34

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is there some reason to implement it as a time limit instead of iterations or something else deterministic? it being affected by CPU speed or machine load seems obvious. or whatever makes sense if “iterations” isn’t a thing, I know nothing about chess algorithms

A time limit is also deterministic in some sense. Level settings used to be mainly time based, because computers at lower settings were no serious competition to decent players, but you don't necessarily want to wait for 30 seconds each move, so there were more casual and more serious levels. Limiting the search depth is much more deterministic. At lower levels, it has hilarious results, and is pretty good at emulati…

> One problem with fixed search depth is that I think most good engines prefer to use dynamic search depth (where they sense that some positions need to be searched a bit deeper to reach a quiescent point), so they will be handicapped with a fix depth.

Okay, but I want to point out nobody was suggesting a depth limit.

For a time-limited algorithm to work properly, it has to have some kind of sensible ordering of how it evaluates moves, looking deeper as time passes in a dynamic way.

Switch to an iteration limit, and the algorithm will still have those features.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by nebula8804 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #178
nebula8804 wrote: post #155

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The airline is not a human being. It is an imaginary construct.

And yet it still gets to participate and answer the question in the worst way.

Only in some messed up parts of the world.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by faidit »

thomc wrote: post #189
mrandish wrote: post #35

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> then again by the airplane seat itself when the person in front of me reclines their seat. This reminds me of the time I had my laptop open on the tilt-down tray and the very large man in the seat in front just repositioned his girth (not even reclining the seat) but it flexed the seat back enough that my laptop screen was momentarily caught between the tray below and recessed lip above and was almost crushed.

Lost an Apple iBook screen this way. Guy in front slammed his chair back while I was working on a presentation and the screen got caught at the perfect angle to flex it and it died. Didn't blame him, lesson learned, and I move my own seat back very slowly now.

Scary.. Did the airline comp you for that?

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Dylan16807 »

exidy wrote: post #172
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #81

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Naming it the "Turbo" button rather than making "turbo mode" the default and then pressing a button for "slow" mode, IMO, was marketing genius, even though the results are the same. Blizzard did a similar thing in World of Warcraft during the beta. After playing for a while, your character would get "exhausted" and start earning half experience for killing mobs. The only way to stop being exhausted would be to log of…

The original intention behind the turbo button was to give a way to set the clock speed something closer to a 4.77 MHz Intel 8088 for the benefit of games that relied on CPU cycle timing. Therefore turbo was the default and slow mode the exception. For some reason this feature persisted in PC compatibles long past having any useful purpose, e.g. toggling a 386 between 33 MHz and 25 MHz. Perhaps manufacturers feared a…

Different senses of "default".

Yes of course you'll keep it on the fast speed as much as you can, not the slow speed. But it's still presented as fast being a bonus rather than slow being a malus.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by xxs »

owenversteeg wrote: post #163

In short: it plays far too well (~2500 ELO.) People think it originally played at a reasonable level and accidentally got more powerful as the seatback computers got more powerful; the same thing happened to the Mac chess app with the release of the M1.

>Mac chess app with the release of the M1.

That would be exceptionally sloppy development. Phones have had more than enough power for long enough. 4 core Skylake (Mac 2016) would be well beyond human capabilities, if it's just raw power.

The "thinking" (difficult) limit should be considered moves ahead, both depth and count. With a possible limit to time, if there is any time control.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by VBprogrammer »

neal_jones wrote: post #62
mrandish wrote: post #35

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> then again by the airplane seat itself when the person in front of me reclines their seat. This reminds me of the time I had my laptop open on the tilt-down tray and the very large man in the seat in front just repositioned his girth (not even reclining the seat) but it flexed the seat back enough that my laptop screen was momentarily caught between the tray below and recessed lip above and was almost crushed.

Opened a laptop on my last flight and this was my immediate and persistent fear

Even when travelling for work I could never bring myself to get a laptop out on an aircraft. I only do it on the train occasionally if I've got something I'm deep into and a table to myself.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jibal wrote: post #124
anematode wrote: post #71

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Sounds like a potential Amazon product.

Sounds like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_Turk (because that's the joke).

Either you're playing around by extending a joke to the point that I can't follow it, or you forgot to read the first sentence of your own article.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by foota »

baxtr wrote: post #184
vasco wrote: post #171

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Airlines shouldn't have reclining seats, it's bad design. Blaming people for the bad design is stupid. I never recline and still blame it on the design. Stupid people exist, you should design for that.

It wouldn't surprise me if Ryanair had reclining seats that reclined only if you paid for it.

"Your neighbor is trying to recline, outbid them to stop them..."

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by rsynnott »

vasco wrote: post #171
kimixa wrote: post #133

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That happened to me when I had an ipad in a standing case and the seat in front cranked back - trapping then pinging the tablet across me and by neighbour's lap. Though the ipad itself wasn't damaged, a couple of glasses didn't make it, and required the steward to try to brush up whatever fragments of glass they could. I feel that airlines are a microcosm of "Do you care about who you actions might affect?" - similar…

Airlines shouldn't have reclining seats, it's bad design. Blaming people for the bad design is stupid. I never recline and still blame it on the design. Stupid people exist, you should design for that.

This is one thing I like about Ryanair; they don't.
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