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Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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Re: Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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How does the law distinguish itself from anti-harassment laws?

I recall a old lawsuit (not sure which country) where a student had photoshopped a nude body onto a picture of their teacher and given it to other students. The main question in the case was if this qualified as sexual harassment, even if the teacher in question never received the image. I don't remember the outcome, through I think they were found guilty.

Re: Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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> The deliberate misuse of someone’s image or voice without their consent for malign purposes should be a criminal offence.

So much vagueness in misuse yet so much impact with consequences. This bill is being speedlined. And it seems to hurt everyone at the same time.

Better to bring a bill with specific limitations and prohibitions that is complete with treatment, consequences, prosecutions, and appeals.

Then that bill can be extended to other prohibited actions as they become apparent

Re: Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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> The deliberate misuse of someone’s image or voice without their consent for malign purposes should be a criminal offence. So much vagueness in misuse yet so much impact with consequences. This bill is being speedlined. And it seems to hurt everyone at the same time. Better to bring a bill with specific limitations and prohibitions that is complete with treatment, consequences, prosecutions, and appeals. Then that b…

Have you read the bill or is the quote the only thing you're going on?

Re: Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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> The deliberate misuse of someone’s image or voice without their consent for malign purposes should be a criminal offence. So much vagueness in misuse yet so much impact with consequences. This bill is being speedlined. And it seems to hurt everyone at the same time. Better to bring a bill with specific limitations and prohibitions that is complete with treatment, consequences, prosecutions, and appeals. Then that b…

Except this is not the text of the bill. You are quoting a comment from a news articles, and commenting upon it as if you were reading a bill.

Re: Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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So the actual context of this is a long-standing feud between Meta and our elected representatives (and some prominent media figures) regarding social engineering scam ads.

You've probably seen some variant of it - a 1:1 copy of a reputable newsoutlet - in this case The Irish Independent, The Irish Times, RTÉ or Newstalk - with a purported video from our Prime Minister or similar which leads to a crypto-trading or forex-trading sales funnel. Simon Harris, our previous Head of State, was inundated with variants of the same script:

“In the nation’s best interests, we’ve carried out a full investigation to make sure it’s not a scam,” the AI-generated Harris appears to say in the scam ad shown on YouTube.

“This is your chance to change your life. All it takes is one small step: invest €250 and start earning today,” the deepfaked figure tells a press conference.

https://www.thejournal.ie/facetcheck-debunk-ai-scam-ad-deepf...

https://www.newstalk.com/news/social-media-platforms-see-sur...

Re: Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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post #2

How does the law distinguish itself from anti-harassment laws? I recall a old lawsuit (not sure which country) where a student had photoshopped a nude body onto a picture of their teacher and given it to other students. The main question in the case was if this qualified as sexual harassment, even if the teacher in question never received the image. I don't remember the outcome, through I think they were found guilty…

The cynic in me assumes its a way of establishing criminal liability on social media platforms for deepfakes impacting politicians credibility - striking while the Grok is still hot as it were.

Re: Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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This is a good way to regulate this. Criminalize people who abuse AI tools to cause harm. Don't try to impose censorship or mass-surveillance on AI tools. I oppose all pornography, but censoring nudity from a model both compromises the model's quality (example: SD3) and stops legitimate artistic value.

Though the framing on Grok is highly duplicitous. It is against the ToS, and it's about a few abusers among millions of legitimate users. Meanwhile there are actual "nudification" services which advertise themselves entirely to enable this kind of abuse.

Re: Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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So the actual context of this is a long-standing feud between Meta and our elected representatives (and some prominent media figures) regarding social engineering scam ads. You've probably seen some variant of it - a 1:1 copy of a reputable newsoutlet - in this case The Irish Independent, The Irish Times, RTÉ or Newstalk - with a purported video from our Prime Minister or similar which leads to a crypto-trading or fo…

(Harris was our head of government (ie. PM or equivalent) rather than head of state (which would be the president).)

Re: Ireland fast tracks Bill to criminalise harmful voice or image misuse

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So the actual context of this is a long-standing feud between Meta and our elected representatives (and some prominent media figures) regarding social engineering scam ads. You've probably seen some variant of it - a 1:1 copy of a reputable newsoutlet - in this case The Irish Independent, The Irish Times, RTÉ or Newstalk - with a purported video from our Prime Minister or similar which leads to a crypto-trading or fo…

The existing fraud and advertising laws cover these kind of scams. Because the bottleneck is enforcement, adding new laws won't make the world safer.
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