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CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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devonhk wrote: post #124
SchemaLoad wrote: post #86

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I spent so long trying to make Raspberry Pis work but they just kind of suck and everything is harder on them. I only just discovered that there are an infinite supply of these micro desktops second hand from offices/government. I was able to pick up a 9th gen intel with 16gb ram for less than the cost of a Pi 5, and it's massively more powerful.

Yeah, they’re amazing value. I paid $125 CAD for a 4th gen i7 with 16GB of RAM about 5 years ago. It’s been running almost 24/7 ever since with no issues.

You also don't have to deal with the usual annoyance of second hand gear like facebook marketplace and no delivery. These companies / governments have contracts with reseller companies who will buy the entire stock and sell them online just like buying new.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by SchemaLoad »

cyberax wrote: post #130
thrownawaysz wrote: post #126

I went down the self host route some years ago but once critical problems hit I realized that beyond a simple NAS it can be a very demanding hobby. I was in another country when there was a power outage at home. My internet went down, the server restart but couldn't reconnect anymore because the optical network router also had some problems after the power outage. I could ask my folks to restart, and turn on off thin…

Long time ago, it was popular for ISPs offer a small amount of space for personal websites. We might see a resurgence of this, but with cheap VPS. Eventually.

Free static site hosting and cheap VPSs already exist. Self hosting is less about putting sites on the internet now and more about replicating cloud services locally.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by vachina »

shadowgovt wrote: post #64
simonw wrote: post #3

This posts lists inexpensive home servers, Tailscale and Claude Code as the big unlocks. I actually think Tailscale may be an even bigger deal here than sysadmin help from Claude Code at al. The biggest reason I had not to run a home server was security: I'm worried that I might fall behind on updates and end up compromised. Tailscale dramatically reduces this risk, because I can so easily configure it so my own devi…

Besides the company that operates it, what is the big difference between Tailscale and Cloudflare tunnels? I've seen Tailscale mentioned frequently but I'm not quite sure what it gets for me. If it's more like a VPN, is it possible to use on an arbitrary device like a library kiosk?

You can self host a tailscale network entirely on your own, without making a single call to Tailscale Inc.

Your cloudflare tunnel availability depends on Cloudflare’s mood of the day.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by SchemaLoad »

appplication wrote: post #137
lmm wrote: post #122

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> It's simple, you increase your attack surface, and the effort and expertise needed to mitigate that. Sure, but opening up one port is a much smaller surface than exposing yourself to a whole cloud hosting company.

Ah… I really could not disagree more with that statement. I know we don’t want to trust BigCorp and whatnot, but a single exposed port and an incomplete understanding of what you’re doing is really all it takes to be compromised.

Even if you understand what you are doing, you are still exposed to every single security bug in all of the services you host. Most of these self hosted tools have not been through 1% of the security testing big tech services have.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by SchemaLoad »

copperx wrote: post #146
alpn wrote: post #139

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> I'd rather expose a Wireguard port and control my keys than introduce a third party like Tailscale. I’m working on a (free) service that lets you have it both ways. It’s a thin layer on top of vanilla WireGuard that handles NAT traversal and endpoint updates so you don’t need to expose any ports, while leaving you in full control of your own keys and network topology. https://wireplug.org

Apparently I'm ignorant about Tailscale, bacause your service description is exactly what I thought Tailscale was.

The main issue people have with Tailscale is that it's a centralised service that isn't self hostable. The Tailscale server manages authentication and keeping track of your devices IPs.

Your eventual connection is direct to your device, but all the management before that runs on Tailscales server.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by hamandcheese »

alpn wrote: post #139
drnick1 wrote: post #26

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I'd rather expose a Wireguard port and control my keys than introduce a third party like Tailscale. I am not sure why people are so afraid of exposing ports. I have dozens of ports open on my server including SMTP, IMAP(S), HTTP(S), various game servers and don't see a problem with that. I can't rule out a vulnerability somewhere but services are containerized and/or run as separate UNIX users. It's the way the Inter…

> I'd rather expose a Wireguard port and control my keys than introduce a third party like Tailscale. I’m working on a (free) service that lets you have it both ways. It’s a thin layer on top of vanilla WireGuard that handles NAT traversal and endpoint updates so you don’t need to expose any ports, while leaving you in full control of your own keys and network topology. https://wireplug.org

This is very cool!

But I also think it's worth a mention that for basic "I want to access my home LAN" use cases you don't need P2P, you just need a single public IP to your lan and perhaps dynamic dns.

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by jaime-ez »

has any one experience using cloudflare tunnels in a (small scale - 5000 user/day) self hosted web service? I just got 2 dynabook XJ-40 (32 gb ram, 512 gb ssd) for 200 usd each and I'm going to replace my DO droplets with them (usd150+ per month). I plan to use cloudflare tunnel to make the service available to the internet without exposing my home network. Any downsides ? (besides that cloudflare will be MITM for the service but it is not a privacy focused business)

Re: CLI agents make self-hosting on a home server easier and fun

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Post by JamesSwift »

thrownawaysz wrote: post #126

I went down the self host route some years ago but once critical problems hit I realized that beyond a simple NAS it can be a very demanding hobby. I was in another country when there was a power outage at home. My internet went down, the server restart but couldn't reconnect anymore because the optical network router also had some problems after the power outage. I could ask my folks to restart, and turn on off thin…

Well, its not a bottomless pit really. Yes you need a UPS. That’s basically it though.
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