does OpenAI have the same restriction?
Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#132I think this is kind of a nothingburger. This reads like a standard clause in any services contract. I also cannot (without a license): 1. Pay for a stock photo library and train an image model with it that I then sell. 2. Use a spam detection service, train a model on its output, then sell that model as a competitor. 3. Hire a voice actor to read some copy, train a text to speech model on their voice, then sell that…
When you buy a book you’re entering into a well-trodden ToS which is absolutely broken by scanning and/or training.
That's empirically false. If it was true, there wouldn't be any ongoing litigation about whether it's allowed or not. It's a legal gray area because there specifically isn't a law that says whether you're allowed or not allowed to legally purchase a text and sell information about the text or facts from the text as a service.
In fact, there's exactly nothing illegal about me replacing what Anthropic is doing with books by me personally reading the books and doing the job of the AI with my meat body (unless I'm quoting the text in a way that's not fair use).
But that's not even what's at issue here. Anthropic is essentially banning the equivalent of people buying all the Stephen King books and using them to start a service that specifically makes books designed to replicate Stephen King writing. Claude being about to talk about Pet Sematary doesn't compete with the sale of Pet Sematary. An LLM trained on Stephen King books with the purpose of creating rip-off Stephen King books arguably does.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#133I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…
This whole thing got blown out of proportion because the devs of third party harnesses that use the oauth API never disclosed that they were already actively sidestepping what is a very obvious message that the oauth API is for Claude Code only. What changed recently is that they added more restrictions for the shape of the payloads it accepts, not that they just started adding restrictions for the first time. TLDR Y…
There's also a meta aspect here, where the leading third party harness in this discussion is run someone who's chronically steeped in Twitter drama and is definitely not rushing to put this to bed.
Add in various 2nd/3rd place players (Codex and Copilot) with employees openly using their personal accounts to cash in on the situation and there's a lot of amplification going on here.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
As of yesterday OpenAI seems to explicitly allow opencode on their subscription plans.
can you point me to this claim? also last i checked trying to connect to OpenAI seems to prompt for an API key, does openAI's API key make use of the subscription quota? just wanted to make sure before I sign up for a openAI sub
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#135I still did not get very clearly what can and can’t zed, open code and other do to use max plan? Developers want to use these 3p client and pay you 200 a month, why are you pissing us off. I understand some abuser exists but you will never really be possible to ban them 100%, technically. Very poor communication, despite some bit of reasonable intention, could be the beginning of the end for Claude Code.
Honestly I think Claude Code enjoyed an "accidental" success much like ChatGPT; Anthropic engineers have said they never though this thing could catch on. But being first doesn't mean you're necessarily the best. Not to mention, they weren't the first anyway (aider was).
I'm building a product on the Claude Agent SDK, and it is the best in a specific way.
Codex and Open Code are competition for coding, but if we talk about an open-ended agentic harness for doing useful work... well it was bad enough a year ago I'd consider anyone even claiming one exists to be a grifter and now we have one.
And while being first might not matter, I think having both post-training and the harness being developed under the same roof is going to be hard to beat.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd say _yes_. This is my `npx ccusage` (reads the .claude folder) since nov 20th: │ Total │ │ 3,884,609 │ 3,723,258 │ 215,832,272 │ 3,956,313,197 │ 4,179,753,336 │ $3150.99 │ It calculates tokens & public API pricing. But also Anthropic models are generally more expensive than others, so I guess its sort of 'self made' value? Some of it?
Only Anthropic knows but I imagine you're a significant outlier
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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
disagree. it is much better for anthropic to bundle than to become 'just another model provider' to opencode/other routers. as a consumer, i do absolutely prefer the latter model - but i don't think that is the position I would want to be in if I were anthropic.
Nah, Anthropic thinks they have a moat; this is classic Apple move, but they ain't Apple.
they do have a moat. opus is currently much better than every other model except maybe gpt-5.2
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#138Xcancel Link: https://xcancel.com/SIGKITTEN/status/2009697031422652461
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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, honestly this is a bad move on anthropic's part. I don't think their moat is as big as they think it is. They are competing against opencode + ACP + every other model out there, and there are quite a few good ones (even open weight ones). Opus might be currently the best model out there, and CC might be the best tool out of the commercial alternatives, but once someone switches to open code + multiple model pro…
> I went from max 20x and chatgpt pro to Claude pro and chat gpt plus + open router providers, and I have now cancelled Claude pro and gpt plus, keeping only Gemini pro (super cheap) and using open router models + a local ai workstation I built using minimax m2.1 and glam 4.7. I use Gemini as the planner and my local models as the churners. Works great, the local models might not be as good as opus 4.5 or sonnet 4.7,…
My first switch was to open code + open router. I used it to try mixing models for different tasks and to try open weights models before committing to the hardware.
Even paying API pricing it was significantly cheaper than the nearly $500 I was paying monthly (I was spending about $100 month combined between Claude pro, chat gpt plus, and open router credits).
Only when I knew exactly the setup I wanted locally did I start looking at hardware. That part has been a PITA since I went with AMD for budget reasons and it looks like I'll be writing my own inference engine soon, but I could have gone with Nvidia and had much less issues (for double the cost, dual Blackwell's vs quad Radeon W7900s for 192GB of VRAM).
If you spend twice what I did and go Nvidia you should have nearly no issues running any models. But using open router is super easy, there are always free models (grok famously was free for a while), and there are very cheap and decent models.
All of this doesn't matter if you aren't paying for your AI usage out of pocket. I was so Anthropics and OpenAIs value proposition vs basically free Gemini + open router or local models is just not there for me.
Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
This comes up in every thread but nobody can advance an argument about how this passes the basic conspiracy theory test: If they’re vacuuming up all the IP that comes in even when the user sets it to off, it must be going into a giant data store somewhere. There must be a large number of engineers and managers involved in all of the processes that get the data from the client to the cloud to the data store, all of wh…
Meta did this and got caught. It's one search away. Did you make chatgpt write all that gibberish?
You’re talking about something else.
The GP comment was suggesting that when you use these tools they’re vacuuming up your IP while you use them. It’s the “Trojan horse” conspiracy theory of LLM coding tools that comes up in every thread.