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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by oblio »

fgonzag wrote: post #18
falloutx wrote: post #12

Opencode is much better anyway and it doesnt change its workflow every couple weeks.

Yeah, honestly this is a bad move on anthropic's part. I don't think their moat is as big as they think it is. They are competing against opencode + ACP + every other model out there, and there are quite a few good ones (even open weight ones). Opus might be currently the best model out there, and CC might be the best tool out of the commercial alternatives, but once someone switches to open code + multiple model pro…

> I went from max 20x and chatgpt pro to Claude pro and chat gpt plus + open router providers, and I have now cancelled Claude pro and gpt plus, keeping only Gemini pro (super cheap) and using open router models + a local ai workstation I built using minimax m2.1 and glam 4.7. I use Gemini as the planner and my local models as the churners. Works great, the local models might not be as good as opus 4.5 or sonnet 4.7, but they are consistent which is something I had been missing with all commercial providers.

You went from a 5 minute signup (and 20-200 bucks per month) to probably weeks of research (or prior experience setting up workstations) and probably days of setup. Also probably a few thousand bucks in hardware.

I mean, that's great, but tech companies are a thing because convenience is a thing.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by [deleted] »

behnamoh wrote: post #47
ctoth wrote: post #11

I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…

> You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. No, the ToS literally says you cannot.

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Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by dev_l1x_be »

This whole situation is getting out of hand. With the development speed AI has it is a matter of time to have a competitor that has 80% what CC does and it is going to be good enough for most of us. Trying Windows the way into this category by Anthropic is not the smartest move.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by akmarinov »

exitb wrote: post #32
rglullis wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I signed up to Claude Pro when I figured out I could use it on opencode, so I could start things on Sonnet/Opus on plan mode and switch to cheaper models on build mode. Now that I can't do that, I will probably just cancel my subscription and do the dance between different hosted providers during plan phase and ask for a prompt to feed into opencode afterwards.

As of yesterday OpenAI seems to explicitly allow opencode on their subscription plans.

Also GPT 5.2 is better than slOpus

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by oblio »

zzzeek wrote: post #23
ctoth wrote: post #11

I was all set to be pissed off, "you can't tell me what I can make with your product once you've sold it to me!" but no... This outrage bait hinges on the definition of "use" You can use Claude Code to write code to make a competitor for Claude Code. What you cannot do is reverse engineer the way the Claude Code harness uses the API to build your own version that taps into stuff like the max plan. Which? makes sense?…

not really. Here's their own product clarifying: Based on the terms, Section 3, subsection 2 prohibits using Claude/Anthropic's Services: "To develop any products or services that compete with our Services, including to develop or train any artificial intelligence or machine learning algorithms or models or resell the Services." Clarification: This restriction is specifically about competitive use - you cannot use Cl…

LOL, that's so much worse than I imagined.

I know we want to turn everything into a rental economy aka the financialization of everything, but this is just super silly.

I hope we're 2-3 years away, at most, from fully open source and open weights models that can run on hardware you can buy with $2000 and that can complete most things Opus 4.5 can do today, even if slower or that needs a bit more handholding.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by forty »

llmslave3 wrote: post #36

I find it slightly ironic that Anthropic benefits from ignoring intellectual property but then tries to enforce it on their competitors. How would they even detect that you used CC on a competitor? There's surely no ethical reason to not do it, it seems unenforceable.

They know everything you do with Claude code since everything goes through their servers

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by pixl97 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #49
pdpi wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems reasonable at first glance, but imagine applying it to other development tools — "You can't use Xcode/Visual Studio/IntelliJ to build a commercial IDE", "You can't use ICC/MSVC to build a commercial C/C++ compiler", etc.

In this case it’s “You can’t use our technology to teach your thinking machine from our stealing of other people’s work, because our AI is just learning stuff, not stealing, and you are stealing from us, because we say so.”

When it comes to AI stealing all IP in the world, I really don't give a crap.

What I do give a crap about is the AI companies being little bitches when you politely pilfer what they have already snatched. Their hypocrisy is unlimited.

Re: Anthropic: Developing a Claude Code competitor using Claude Code is banned

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Post by oblio »

zingar wrote: post #10

Is this a standard tech ToU item? Is this them saying that their human developers don’t add much to their product beyond what the AI does for them?

Imagine if Visual Studio said "you can't use VS to build another IDE".
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