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How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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It's all publicly funded universities in Texas, not just the UT system. In other words: you've just pissed off a lot of Aggies grouping them in with, ahem, tu.

No one in Texas calls it “TU”. Rather, UT.

Context clues matter--note that we're both talking about Aggies and that tu is lower-cased.

They do that to imply that "varsity" is not the University _of_ Texas.

As with lots of things coming from College Station, you just sort of have to accept it.

Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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No. They’re no longer allowed to use race but can, and still consider a wide range of factors. They have to - it’s likely they have far more applicants with near perfect GPA/Test score combos then they have spots. (Noting that your GPA gets fuzzy once it’s over a 4.0 since that “extra” is going to be somewhat school and school system dependent) Since each kid likely applies to multiple schools the process would also…

> that “extra” is going to be somewhat school and school system dependent Is it? That’s news to me. I grew up thinking it was standard to just have 5 grade points for honors and AP classes. I guess the nuance comes into the bar for a class being “honors,” vs. AP which has a more consistent definition given the standardized exam?

A significant, and growing, number of schools (many of them independent and high end) are no longer offering AP/Honors classes. Which means that you now don’t have a level measure for comparing GPA.

To the original point though it’s one of many reasons why GPA + Test scores isn’t really a standard metric to be used on their own for merit based admissions. It’s really just a bar after which you have to take additional factors into account.

Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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> it gives everyone the same chance to excel. How does the existence of standardized testing give everyone the same chance? As an extremely over-exaggerated example example, someone whose home study time is disrupted frequently by gunfire outside is probably not getting the same chance as someone who lives on a 20 acre estate with private tutors for every subject.

Ear plugs are under $5. If you could not think of that over years, you're not gonna be able to score well in SAT for different reasons.

How fortunate that the only downside of frequent gunfire on the streets outside your house is the noise.

Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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> The opaqueness of the whole process is what I find most objectionable. I also find that objectionable. However, recalling my own college admission process, I think we have collectively determined that this opaqueness is basically working as intended. We are now treating it as a rite passage that qualified high school students can be mysteriously rejected. I applied to 6 colleges (not counting those outside the Unit…

> We are now treating it as a rite passage that qualified high school students can be mysteriously rejected.

How could it realistically work any other way? Each year, Harvard gets nearly 50K applications for 2K acceptances and 1.6K enrollments.

It’s not hard to see that tens of thousands of qualified high school students will unavoidably be rejected from just this one university.

Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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As I understand, the easiest way to get into a very good UC (Berkeley, LA, etc.) is to first study at a junior college (JC). It is easy to get a perfect grade point average (4.0). There are a number of reserves spots at UCs for JC transfers.

It’s actually easier than that. Depending on the UC many just require completing a dedicated set of courses with a 2.0 or higher with no class lower than a C and will provide guaranteed admissions as long as the criteria is met.

It’s the Transfer Admissions Guarantee program.

https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requi...

Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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Yeah, there’s really no way around it when you have more qualified students than slots, unless you just mark each applicant as qualified or not and run a lottery. But they do have to “craft a class” to some extent. An obvious example is athletic recruiting, but some schools are consciously thinking about populating other extracurriculars, like marching bands or orchestras. And you also don’t want a class that’s all c…

> An obvious example is athletic recruiting Itself a very US-specific thing. So much so that trans athletes in college sports were a focal point of a propaganda campaign that resulted in Trump winning. I don't think any large European country even has athletic admissions, outside of maybe Olympic-level athletes.

More accurately, the issue is male athletes in women's sports. For whatever reason, the political left seem determined to die on this hill, despite the obvious disadvantage to female athletes.

Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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While I'm usually not a fan of ending gifted programs and such, I do believe that the kids in the lower-rated schools must feel a positive effect, mingling with highly-motivated, better-educated kids. It may do away with the whole "study is uncool, real kids hate school" vibe that holds many "bad neighborhood" schools back.

> I do believe that the kids in the lower-rated schools must feel a positive effect, mingling with highly-motivated, better-educated kids. It may do away with the whole "study is uncool, real kids hate school" vibe that holds many "bad neighborhood" schools back. That's the logic, but it doesn't pan out. IMO it's because 1) by high school it's too late--kids already segregate themselves and the ones with strong study…

> ...so far nobody has figured out to socially engineer that outcome

Isn't forced busing a counter example? When I was younger it increased my exposure to different races and expanded my friend groups. By the 90s my family had moved a few times and the bussing had ended nearly everywhere. Things were far more 'naturally' segregated without some forcing function.

Coworkers with similar bussing experiences said their friend groups were also more diverse than peers or younger generations who didn't have it.

Civil rights legislation (and enforcement) also ended phenomenon like whites-only businesses and bathrooms. Changing some centuries old racism may just take longer than we expect.

Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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Ear plugs are under $5. If you could not think of that over years, you're not gonna be able to score well in SAT for different reasons.

How fortunate that the only downside of frequent gunfire on the streets outside your house is the noise .

What else has significant impact on ability to study?

General downsides are irrelevant, so I don't see a point in your comment.

Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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No one in Texas calls it “TU”. Rather, UT.

Context clues matter--note that we're both talking about Aggies and that tu is lower-cased. They do that to imply that "varsity" is not the University _of_ Texas. As with lots of things coming from College Station, you just sort of have to accept it.

I live 45 minutes from A&M. I’ll repeat myself. No one in Texas calls it tu. ;)

There may be some disenfranchised barbarians out in the wilderness that do. But likely only due to their extremely tenuous grasp of the fundamentals of English. Primarily they communicate through grunts and hand signs.

Re: How your high school affects your chances of UC Admission

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Context clues matter--note that we're both talking about Aggies and that tu is lower-cased. They do that to imply that "varsity" is not the University _of_ Texas. As with lots of things coming from College Station, you just sort of have to accept it.

I live 45 minutes from A&M. I’ll repeat myself. No one in Texas calls it tu. ;) There may be some disenfranchised barbarians out in the wilderness that do. But likely only due to their extremely tenuous grasp of the fundamentals of English. Primarily they communicate through grunts and hand signs.

I'm not sure why you insist on doubling down. It's not hard to find info about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/aggies/comments/v54bu/why_do_you_sa...

Hell, it's on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_University

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