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Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by krior »

embedding-shape wrote: post #54
dom96 wrote: post #2

> As a programmer, I want to write more open source than ever, now. I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? We've already seen some pretty strong evidence of this with Tailwind.

> I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? I don't think it's wrong, but misdirected maybe. What do you that someone can "steal" your open source contributions? I've always released most of my code as "open source"…

"Open Source" does not equal "No terms on how to share and use the code". Granted, there are such licenses but afaik the majority requires attribution at the minimum.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by embedding-shape »

antirez wrote: post #53
systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

I think that who says that you need to be accustomed to the current "tools" related to AI agents, is suffering from a horizon effect issue: these stuff will change continuously for some time, and the more they evolve, the less you need to fiddle with the details. However, the skill you need to have, is communication skills. You need to be able to express yourself and what matters for your project fast and well. Many…

> Many programmers are not great at communication.

This is true, but still shocking. Professional (working with others at least) developers basically live or die by their ability to communicate. If you're bad at communication, your entire team (and yourself) suffer, yet it seems like the "lone ranger" type of programmer is still somewhat praised and idealized. When trying to help some programmer friends with how they use LLMs, it becomes really clear how little they actually can communicate, and for some of them I'm slightly surprised they've been able to work with others at all.

An example the other day, some friend complained that the LLM they worked with was using the wrong library, and using the wrong color for some element, and surprised that the LLM wouldn't know it from the get go. Reading through the prompt, they never mentioned it once, and when asked about it, they thought "it should have been obvious" which yeah, to someone like you who worked for 2 years on this project that might be obvious, but for some with zero history and zero context about what you do? How you expect it to know this? Baffling sometimes.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by pferde »

tmplostpwd wrote: post #21
dom96 wrote: post #2

> As a programmer, I want to write more open source than ever, now. I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? We've already seen some pretty strong evidence of this with Tailwind.

If you don't want people "stealing" your code, you don't want open source. You want source available.

You're confusing open source with public domain.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by rvz »

bsaul wrote: post #38
systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

An ecosystem is being built around AI : Best prompting practices, mcps, skills, IDE integration, how to build a feedback loop so that LLM can test its output alone, plug to the outside world with browser extensions, etc... For now i think people can still catch up quickly, but at the end of 2026 it's probably going to be a different story.

> Best prompting practices, mcps, skills, IDE integration, how to build a feedback loop so that LLM can test its output alone, plug to the outside world with browser extensions, etc...

Ah yes, an ecosystem that is fundamentally inherently built on probabilisitic quick sand and even with the "best prompting practices", you still get agents violating the basics of security and committing API keys when they were told not to. [0]

[0] https://xcancel.com/valigo/status/2009764793251664279

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by m4rtink »

bromuro wrote: post #11
dom96 wrote: post #2

> As a programmer, I want to write more open source than ever, now. I want to write less, just knowing that LLM models are going to be trained on my code is making me feel more strongly than ever that my open source contributions will simply be stolen. Am I wrong to feel this? Is anyone else concerned about this? We've already seen some pretty strong evidence of this with Tailwind.

I do open source exactly because i’m fine my work can be “stolen”.

Stolen means no attribution and not following the rules of the GPL, instead producing un-attributed AI-washed closed source code owned by companies.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by iLoveOncall »

antirez wrote: post #16
cmiles8 wrote: post #6

The “anti-AU hype” phrase oversimplifies what’s playing out at the moment. On the tech side, while things are a bit rough around the edges still the tech is very useful and isn’t going away. I honestly don’t see much disagreement there. The concern mostly comes from the business side… that for all the usefulness on the tech there is no clearly viable path that financially supports everything that’s going on. It’s a n…

The blog post title is a joke about the AI hype.

Well it completely misses the mark, because your whole article IS hyping up AI, and probably more than anything I've seen before honestly.

If it's all meant to be ironical, it's a huge failure and people will use it to support their AI hype.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by KaiserPro »

rvz wrote: post #45
systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

> What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The ones pushing this narrative have either the following: * Invested in AI companies (which they will never disclose until they IPO / acquired) * Employees at AI companies that have stock options which they are effectively paid boosters around AGI nonsense. * Mi…

I'm not an AI booster, but I can't argue with Opus doing lots of legwork

> It is no different to the crypto web3 bubble of 2021

web3 didn't produce anything useful, just noise. I couldn't take a web3 stack to make an arbitrary app. with the PISS machine I can.

Do I worry about the future, fuck yeah I do. I think I'm up shit creek. I am lucky that I am good at describing in plain English what I want.

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by dkdcio »

Ekaros wrote: post #23
systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

By their promises it should get so good that basically you do not need to learn it. So it is reasonable to wait until that point.

this is a straw man, nobody serious is promising that. it is a skill like any other that requires learning

Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by [deleted] »

oncallthrow wrote: post #48
systemf_omega wrote: post #8

What I don't understand about this whole "get on board the AI train or get left behind" narrative, what advantage does an early adopter have for AI tools? The way I see it, I can just start using AI once they get good enough for my type of work. Until then I'm continuing to learn instead of letting my brain atrophy.

My take: learning how to do LLM-assisted coding at a basic level gets you 80% of the returns, and takes about 30 minutes. It's a complete no-brainer. Learning all of the advanced multi-agent worklows etc. etc... Maybe that gets you an extra 20%, but it costs a lot more time, and is more likely to change over time anyway. So maybe not very good ROI.

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Re: Don't fall into the anti-AI hype

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Post by robot-wrangler »

Let's maybe avoid all the hype, whether it is for or against, and just have thoughtful and measured stances on things? Fairly high points for that on this piece, despite the title. It has the obligatory remark that manually writing code is pointless now but also the obligatory caveat that it depends on the kind of code you're writing.
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