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Large part of the molecules of my body were created by supernova
Which ones? Aren’t you thinking about atoms instead?
The molecules I’m aware of are all made of atoms.
Is beef tallow making a comeback?
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Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?
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He's almost the perfect example of the colloquial stereotype of "Dunning Kruger Syndrome", which is why he's so dangerous. I've made this example before, but it bears repeating. I know absolutely nothing about chemistry, medicine, or healthcare policy. I am wholly unqualifed to be in charge of anything involving healthcare. Suppose that, despite all reason, I am appointed into a HHS secretary anyway. This would be ba…
> he thinks he knows better than the entire medical establishment I think you have missed the part about why we are in this situation. People are absolutely fed up with the medical establishment. There is no way to twist this.
The solution is to fix the medical establishment, not to appoint a person trained by Facebook moms and and natural food blogs.
Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
He's almost the perfect example of the colloquial stereotype of "Dunning Kruger Syndrome", which is why he's so dangerous. I've made this example before, but it bears repeating. I know absolutely nothing about chemistry, medicine, or healthcare policy. I am wholly unqualifed to be in charge of anything involving healthcare. Suppose that, despite all reason, I am appointed into a HHS secretary anyway. This would be ba…
He seems to be aware of his lack of knowledge: https://youtu.be/AGq_Q7tVLCU?si=Qcw_cQHoqbBc5dgW Yet still here we are
I think he's actively lying with this to have some amount of plausible deniability.
If you look at pseudoscience "alternative health" treatments on YouTube, they always have some disclaimer saying "This is not medical advice, I am not a physician, please consult your doctor", and then immediately go on to tell you about how injecting yourself with ozone or drinking paint thinner will cure all your diseases. I think it's just a legal disclaimer, not like they are actually aware that what they're doing is bullshit.
Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?
#64Brad Marshall[0] makes a case for the benefits of stearic acid (C18:0), which is predominant in beef tallow and cocoa butter. It acts as a beneficial metabolic signal that promotes mitochondrial fat oxidation, higher energy expenditure, and leanness—counteracting the obesogenic effects of polyunsaturated fats (PUFAs), especially linoleic acid. [0] https://fireinabottle.net/every-fire-in-a-bottle-post-from-t... EDIT:…
We all know there has been a replication crisis across many different disciplines of science. I think that the set of things we actually know about nutrition and health is a lot smaller than the experts think. However, the problem is that the public has also come to that conclusion. The public has gone on to decide "that means my incredibly weakly-evidenced idea is just as good as the expert opinions" which does not…
Lived experience is not really weak evidence though. Personally I use tallow minimally but it seems like a really good high flash point oil.
Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?
#65Tallow is popular right now, but plain old butter is just as good, easier to work with, and doesn't make everything it touches taste like beef.
Why would confidently assert this? They are very different and useful for different purposes. Do you cook at all?
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#66Not to be flippant, but we know that the answer to that is "No" because of Betteridge's Law of Headlines[1]. I haven't read the article ("too hard, didn't care"), but as a foodie: - in certain food circles, it never went away - industrially, McD's in at least North America used beef tallow as one of the par-frying oils for their fries well into the 21st century -- which caused a stir amongst vegetarians and Hindu who…
Beef tallow has a favorable omega 6 to omega 3 ratio and low levels of PUFAs, compared to seed oils and other cooking fats. I recommend reading the article.
Evidence for the negative effects of omega 6s and specifically seed oils is at best fuzzy and conflicting, plenty of studies have found little to no difference. Research on the subject is as best inconclusive.
Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
We all know there has been a replication crisis across many different disciplines of science. I think that the set of things we actually know about nutrition and health is a lot smaller than the experts think. However, the problem is that the public has also come to that conclusion. The public has gone on to decide "that means my incredibly weakly-evidenced idea is just as good as the expert opinions" which does not…
Lived experience is not really weak evidence though. Personally I use tallow minimally but it seems like a really good high flash point oil.
>but it seems like a really good high flash point oil.
On what basis? Using the list of smoke point table someone else linked[1], tallow does indeed have a high smoke point, but it's unclear how it's better than many other oils in that list (peanut, sunflower, soybean) which are far easier to procure.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Smoke_point_of_cookin...
Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lived experience is not really weak evidence though. Personally I use tallow minimally but it seems like a really good high flash point oil.
>but it seems like a really good high flash point oil. On what basis? Using the list of smoke point table someone else linked[1], tallow does indeed have a high smoke point, but it's unclear how it's better than many other oils in that list (peanut, sunflower, soybean) which are far easier to procure. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Smoke_point_of_cookin...
Anyone who lives near beef operations can get unprocessed tallow for free.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
>but it seems like a really good high flash point oil. On what basis? Using the list of smoke point table someone else linked[1], tallow does indeed have a high smoke point, but it's unclear how it's better than many other oils in that list (peanut, sunflower, soybean) which are far easier to procure. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Smoke_point_of_cookin...
Anyone who lives near beef operations can get unprocessed tallow for free.
Most people do not live near "beef operations". Moreover processing tallow is part of procurement. If you value your time at the prevailing minimum wage, it's pretty hard to beat a gallon of vegetable oil for $10.
Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?
#70Not to be flippant, but we know that the answer to that is "No" because of Betteridge's Law of Headlines[1]. I haven't read the article ("too hard, didn't care"), but as a foodie: - in certain food circles, it never went away - industrially, McD's in at least North America used beef tallow as one of the par-frying oils for their fries well into the 21st century -- which caused a stir amongst vegetarians and Hindu who…
Beef tallow has a favorable omega 6 to omega 3 ratio and low levels of PUFAs, compared to seed oils and other cooking fats. I recommend reading the article.
I won't bother as I'm vegetarian, which means that I really don't care the "supposed" benefits (which likely pale compared to the ingestion of long chain saturated fats present in beef tallow, as opposed to the short and medium chain saturated fats present in coconut oil). Beef tallow is irrelevant to me except for restaurateurs or food manufacturers who use it without disclosing it. (One should disclose its use in any case. For people who avoid pork, knowing that your product contains "beef lard" instead of "whatever lard was cheapest this week" matters, because they can't do "pork lard".)
But the reality is that there's insufficient science for the promotion of beef tallow in RFK's health treason. For large groups of people it's off limits due to personal dietary restrictions (religious or animal product avoidance) and would be contraindicated for anyone who currently has cardiovascular diseases involving high cholesterol.
Use beef tallow, don't use beef tallow. I don't care unless I'm possibly eating food that you have prepared or manufactured (because I don't want rendered animal fats in my food). But don't pretend that it's a health food. It isn't, but can still be eaten in moderation by anyone who _doesn't_ mind beef products in their food.