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Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

#171

Question: why is ` https://orgmode.org/ ` in html and not in ... org mode?

It is [0]. All the pages are generated from org sources. If you scroll to the bottom of any page there is a link. Also tec used to have an overlay that would show you the org source directly, but ultimately it was decided that it should not be enabled because it required javascript and could be confusing.

0. https://git.sr.ht/~bzg/orgweb

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

#172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting I should pick the markup format for my private files according to the perceived popularity of another format? I'm not sure what's your point. Are you telling people who use org-mode that they shouldn't?

If you think you'll ever want to use third-party tools to process that markup, or if some of your private files will transform into public files at some point, then yes, considering popularity makes a lot of sense. If they're just text files you edit raw that will never interact with anything else but your text editor, then of course popularity doesn't matter at all. But in my experience, my use cases tend to expand…

Ahem. When I started with Markdown, I was regularly experiencing all the issues mentioned for years. The most popular format was Word (doc). Perhaps I should have stuck with that?

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

#174

Expressing complex HTML or LaTeX constructs in org-mode is more complicated than writing the raw HTML or LaTeX. So for complex things, I'll always fall back to writing HTML or LaTeX directly. Markdown, instead, just falls back to HTML. Whatever I can't express in markdown, I can simply insert the HTML by hand. These markup languages are always fine for simple things, but have a hard time expressing more complicated t…

> Expressing complex HTML or LaTeX constructs in org-mode is more complicated than writing the raw HTML or LaTeX.

Eh? This makes no sense! You can embed any HTML and LaTeX easily in the doc. And you could since I encountered org over 15 years ago.

Since 2009 all my LaTeX and Beamer docs have been written in org. I lose nothing by using org.

> I've recently converted my blog from org-mode to markdown. 1000 lines of elisp, replaced with 200 lines of Python, and a 50x speedup.

I use Pelican which uses rst. But it was pretty trivial to write a plugin in Python to have it support org files.

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

#175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds to me like it's a shortcoming of the exporter then, to not remove the escape characters as appropriate. Though one would think others would've run into this issue and fixed it. Or perhaps you're missing some other prevalent alternative? The highlighting corrects for me once I "escape" the "~300".

You didn't understand me. The highlighting also disappears if you "escape" with % %~300 Or the character A: A~300

Isn't the aim to have the highlighting only apply to `~systemctl start fnord~`, and not have whatever you used to escape the "~300" appear in an export? Highlighting and exporting are 2 pretty distinct functions.

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

#176

Sure. And driving on the left is one of the most reasonable sides of the road to drive on, but in a country where everyone drives on the right, it’s good to accept that, though driving on the left offers just as many advantages, nonetheless you shouldn’t insist on continuing to do so. Markdown is also one of the most reasonable markup languages to use for text, and it has won sufficient share that it should be your d…

Markdown is worse than other formats in many ways. It has several ambiguities, there are significant variations between implementations, fairly basic features like tables, footnotes, strikethrough, etc. are "extensions" that aren't widely supported.

The only real advantage of markdown is that it is has because more ubiquitous/popular than others, possibly in part because it is relatively easy to implement, as long as you don't care that much about exact compatibility with other implementations.

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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OP here. I stuck with orgmode all these years /because/ of the interoperability. If I'm writing in Org, I can tangle / detangle between other plaintext sources, including source code. As well as export to collaborate. The proposition is "yes, and", not "either / or". It's /fine/ to switch to the popular "team" standard and stay there when needed. Several of my workplace documents, including wiki entries start off as…

Sure, but I think it's safe to say Markdown has more interoperability, no? Yes you can always use pandoc, but conversion usually brings quirks of its own. And more generally, the less conversion steps you need, the better. If you just stick to vanilla markup, you don't encounter incompatibilities. The "many kinds of markdown" isn't an issue if you're not using platform-specific extensions in the first place. Which, u…

If I just stick to vanilla markdown, then I don't have features that I would really like in my notes, like tables, footnotes, etc.

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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post #115

Sure. And driving on the left is one of the most reasonable sides of the road to drive on, but in a country where everyone drives on the right, it’s good to accept that, though driving on the left offers just as many advantages, nonetheless you shouldn’t insist on continuing to do so. Markdown is also one of the most reasonable markup languages to use for text, and it has won sufficient share that it should be your d…

I'm surprised nobody else brought it up - what are the pros of left-hand driving? Is it about where the controls are in relation to handedness? Some sort of safety benefit? Better visibility in certain scenarios? And are postal carriers in America who drive LLVs getting the _best_ or the _worst_ of both worlds? (I like to think about these sorts of things!)

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Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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For me the thing keeping me on markdown is Obsidian on mobile - no other note taking app comes close. If they made an actual Emacs for mobile (actual emacs complete with elisp support, not the existing org mode apps) that was a pleasure to use, I would likely switch to that. As it is, the * vs # for headings makes switching between the two uncomfortable.

Btw, which other note taking apps worth talking about exist? I am aware of org-roam and scimax (?) and both look promising but I find that (at least for org-roam) there’s not enough big picture explaining what is going on behind the curtains. That somewhat discouraged me from spending a lot of time with it, but a quick glance did look promising.
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