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Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

#31

Tallow is popular right now, but plain old butter is just as good, easier to work with, and doesn't make everything it touches taste like beef.

> and doesn't make everything it touches taste like beef.

That last one is not necessarily a bad thing. You haven’t truly had popcorn till you’ve had beef tallow popcorn.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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post #20

It's kind of mentioned in the article, but I'm more comfortable cooking with lard than either tallow or oil based on the current evidence. Avoiding UPF is probably the most important factor though.

>but I'm more comfortable cooking with lard than either tallow or oil based on the current evidence

How is lard meaningfully different than tallow or vegetable oil? Being animal fat, isn't it approximately the same as tallow?

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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post #20

It's kind of mentioned in the article, but I'm more comfortable cooking with lard than either tallow or oil based on the current evidence. Avoiding UPF is probably the most important factor though.

> Avoiding UPF

> Bread grows on trees, apparently

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The omega6:3 ratio and PUFA content of tallow is favorable. Canola and other seed oils are made using toxic solvents which are not full removed from the final product.

Go look up the studies of actual outcome data when replacing saturated fats with seed oils. Seed oils do much better

Are you sure?

Sydney heart diet study: Seed oil group had something like 62% higher death rate.

Minnesota coronary experiment: replaced saturated fats with seed oil, cholesterol dropped, but for every 30 mg/dL drop risk of death went up something like 20%.

Several recent meta analyses also indicate no real benefit migrating from saturated fats to seed oils. The only silver lining I have seen is there is some evidence replacing them for people who have had a coronary event already. So, no, I don't think the evidence supports "seed oils do much better" in a general sense.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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post #32
post #20

It's kind of mentioned in the article, but I'm more comfortable cooking with lard than either tallow or oil based on the current evidence. Avoiding UPF is probably the most important factor though.

>but I'm more comfortable cooking with lard than either tallow or oil based on the current evidence How is lard meaningfully different than tallow or vegetable oil? Being animal fat, isn't it approximately the same as tallow?

sadly one of the most frustrating things is that everyone groups saturated fats in one big group. there is lots of evidence that only specific types of saturated fats actually cause CVD, in particular some specific configurations of palmitic acid. the other saturated fats are not nearly as problem causing.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compared to what and for what purpose? Olive oil? Peanut oil? No and (mostly) no. Compared to hydrogenated margarine that was pushed a couple of decades ago before we learned about trans-fats? Of course. If you use it when cooking for guests, you should disclose that you're using it (especially for non-meat dishes) because it may add extra fat that they're not OK with or consider inappropriate for personal dietary co…

Politics aside, the omega6:3 ratio and PUFA content of tallow is favorable.

Omega ratio matters most taking total intake of 3 and 6 into account. Since tallow is overwhelmingly saturated fat, it's a moot point what the ratio is. The remedy to low omega-3 is just to consume more dominant EPA/DHA and even ALA sources. Omega 6 won't fly off the charts except through consuming lots of packaged boxed foods and ultraprocessed foods, which overwhelming use vegetable oils like soybean or sunflower (North American fat consumption has skyrocketed over a century mostly owing to these foods). Even if you consume some nuts or seed oil now and then, just consume fish or a supplement.

Arguably the "healthiest" cooking oil is olive oil. If we're looking at just the fatty acids though, replacing SFA with PUFAs is a stronger predictor of lower CVD and all-cause mortality.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UPF as in ultra-processed food? UPF designations are farcical; they're a modern formally-ratified instance of the naturalist fallacy. There are attributes of ultra-processed foods that are bad, but it's not the ultra-processing that makes it so; it's a very "correlation is causation" situation.

The fundamental problem with UPF isn't the nutritional qualities of the food. It's the _process_ itself. UPF is basically derived from A/B testing food continuously to making it (a) highly consumable and (b) low cost. Repeat that process over decades and thousands of times and you get overconsumption of shit food.

I think you mean highly palatable. Hyperpalatability is a real problem. But that's not intrinsic to "ultra-processing"; there are lots of reasons to "ultra-process" foods that aren't about maximizing caloric input.

Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

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post #32
post #20

It's kind of mentioned in the article, but I'm more comfortable cooking with lard than either tallow or oil based on the current evidence. Avoiding UPF is probably the most important factor though.

>but I'm more comfortable cooking with lard than either tallow or oil based on the current evidence How is lard meaningfully different than tallow or vegetable oil? Being animal fat, isn't it approximately the same as tallow?

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Re: Is beef tallow making a comeback?

#40
post #31

Tallow is popular right now, but plain old butter is just as good, easier to work with, and doesn't make everything it touches taste like beef.

> and doesn't make everything it touches taste like beef. That last one is not necessarily a bad thing. You haven’t truly had popcorn till you’ve had beef tallow popcorn.

I used to work across the street from a “New Southern” style eatery, beef tallow biscuits are to die for.
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