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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by netsharc »

SilasX wrote: post #84
mrec wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re "just another program" - the old Notepad was deliberately designed with minimal dependencies so that even if everything else in the system went to hell you'd still have a working editor to try and fix things.

So, you're just screwed if you need a working editor in safe mode now?

This makes me want to suggest to Microsoft to have AI-enhanced safe mode. "Computer can't boot? Reboot to the Recovery Copilot and have this advanced spell-checker try to troubleshoot it!"

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by blep-arsh »

blibble wrote: post #70
Flux159 wrote: post #15

"What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_and_Bill%27s_law On a more serious note, I really only use Windows for games & I'm still always frustrated with how many updates (& restarts during updates) Windows needs. My fans are always constantly spinning on Windows too (laptop or desktop) whereas my Mac & Linux machines are generally silent outside of heavy load.

> My fans are always constantly spinning on Windows too (laptop or desktop) whereas my Mac & Linux machines are generally silent outside of heavy load. defender seemingly needs to check every 10ms that you still don't have a virus

I'm always amused by these occasional "you still don't have any viruses" popup notifications from Defender. Well, good to know, thank you very much, I guess.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by pjmlp »

Not surprising given the amount of Webview2 and WinUI/WinRT that Windows 11 happens to contain.

Note that even though WinRT is largely written in C++, and the team brags about performance, due to the amount of COM/WinRT reference counting and the sandboxing model of application identity, it actually runs slower than .NET applications.

Quite ironic, given the Windows team sabotaged on Longhorn.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by ewoodrich »

subjectsigma wrote: post #112
smt88 wrote: post #53

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MacOS is a buggy mess, and it's also pretty slow lately. If you need full Office for work, your best bet is probably still Windows.

One would think multi-monitor support is the hardest thing in the universe to solve. My Linux desktop has very bad multi-monitor support, but hey, it's Linux. My $2K Macbook Pro has, somehow, even worse multi-monitor support, so bad that sometimes the productivity of an external display feels not worth the hassle of plugging it in and wrestling with it. Besides that no problems with MacOS, it feels snappy to me and O…

The first time I’ve had my multi-monitor setup(s) “just work” on Linux is recently installing Fedora 43 on my Ideapad. (After becoming exhausted trying to tweak Linux Mint to get tolerable sizing across all the screens).

Wayland per-monitor fractional scaling is delightful and after a couple gsettings tweaks restoring minimize/bottom dock I’ve been loving the polish and snappiness of Gnome. I also had to switch the WiFi backend from wpa_supplicant to iwn due to connection problems on one specific WiFi network but now it’s totally stable.

macOS multi-monitor support and scaling is a constant thorn in my side that was marginally improved by paying for Better Display. Windows 11 really is the most solid option for various monitor combinations not in Apple's happy path of resolutions/sizes.

But I don’t really like the ergonomics of using even clean de-bloated Windows as my main dev machine, so was very pleased to have such a great out-of-the-box experience trying Fedora for the first time.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by rleigh »

ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

If it loads at all. The last two days, the start menu refuses to launch it when you click on it.

The lack of quality in Windows is simply astonishing. And the new start menu and taskbar are terrible. Quite how a company can transform a product into such a mess in just a few years is incredible.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by pathartl »

whatever1 wrote: post #174

JavaScript has taken over UI. Why operating systems do not embrace it and make it a first class citizen? Aka explicitly design the os to run and render fast and efficiently js code

This isn't true in the slightest.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by pachouli-please »

m_fayer wrote: post #177
badc0ffee wrote: post #33

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We updated my MIL's computer to Windows 11 and now it's giving her ads about Xbox something or other on the login screen. She is in her 80s and has no idea what an Xbox even is.

This is awful in many ways. Among other things what really gets my goat is that Xbox something or other ads can have cartoony sexuality, violence, and so on. Those things don’t bother me, but there are plenty of elderly, conservative, religious, etc. people who would be taken aback by it. There’s plenty of that content in our media, but those people don’t consume that media. A computer is a critical general purpose t…

Link to this fridge? Just so I know which one to avoid you know

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by pjmlp »

ncpa-cpl wrote: post #120
spikej wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

And Calc! It takes about 5 seconds to load. And search is so unreliable mixing web and local results.

It was rewritten into WinUI, hence why.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by Marsymars »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #168

The other day I got tired of using mRemoteNG for RDP it takes ages to start up. So I went back to Microsoft's own RDP client - they deprecated it and now only support the new Windows App but you need to login with your corporate email and it does not even support RDP but Azure !!!!. You need to go to the stone age and use the RDP client they shipped with Windows NT 4.0. Say what you want about Balmer but Satya is now…

RDCMan works pretty well.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by pjmlp »

Rohansi wrote: post #193
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

But Notepad is not web based? It's still a native app but now uses UWP instead.

Which is exactly the problem, and isn't UWP, rather WinUI/WinAppSDK, the WinRT version on top of Win32, instead of UWP.

UWP is actually faster, yes that is that bad.

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