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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by thunky »

epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

> I'm more and more inclined of switching my desktop (my main working machine) to Omarchy

Never heard of it and the website and GitHub repo sure aren't doing a great job of describing it's benefits.

"Beautiful, Modern & Opinionated" are vague and really aren't adjectives I'd be looking for in an OS.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by freedomben »

bob1029 wrote: post #19
mixel wrote: post #3

It's not shocking they added even more bloatware to every microsoft program so even with the same OS kernel it would probably take longer. At this point it also got out of hand for Microsoft themselves if you have heard how they are going to speed up the explorer. Not by making it faster but by preloading it on startup so it feels snappier, there are 20 years of technical debt in I think you cannot save this anymore…

> there are 20 years of technical debt The only part of windows that really matters in the long run is win32 which has been extremely stable. You could go back to XP and not lose that many features. The fact that modern windows runs like ass has very little to do with backwards compatibility.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I do think there's an important distinction between technical debt and backwards compatibility. Yes The former can be caused by the latter, but I've worked in enough projects that didn't have to worry about backwards compatibility but were still riddled with technical debt to know that backwards compatibility is only one source of many.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by doodlesdev »

Regarding the video benchmark on the page: what would be fair is testing against the hardware that was available when the operating system was released. Windows 11 is absolutely not meant to run against hard drives, and current notebook and desktop offerings for home and enterprise users reflect that: you can get a 256gb SSD for a pretty decent price nowadays, to the point there's absolutely no reason to put in an HDD. When Windows Vista was released, your computer would absolutely have an HDD, so that would be a fair comparison.

That said, I was restoring a notebook owned by my aunt recently and I decided to run Ubuntu on it so I could mess with gparted a little bit. I'm already a full-time Linux user (have been for about five years now, I guess), but I was still surprised to see that one of the most bloated Linux distributions ran lightning fast on my aunt's Pentium Gold + 4gb RAM + HDD while Windows took over four minutes to boot.

It's absolutely time to abandon Windows if you're still dependent on it. There are alternatives. Heck, I'm not a fan of Apple either but at this point I'd recommend a MacBook for anyone wanting to get away from Windows and not comfortable with Linux or a Chromebook.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by eterm »

epolanski wrote: post #23
richard_chase wrote: post #14

I switched to Linux after Windows started showing me propaganda on the screen where you enter your password. To me, that's diabolical and forced me to make the switch. Sorry, I don't wish to "Learn more about Black-Owned Businesses" just to access my computer.

What propaganda? I only get a new background with some info related to it (like what's the place of the picture).

A few days ago I got the nature scapes but with a, "This would make an awesome prompt huh?" as the tagline and a link to more AI shoe-horned in.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by doodlesdev »

epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

Why would you go for a random Linux distribution backed by DHH (a Ruby developer) instead of a established upstream distribution such as Debian or Fedora?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by qwerpy »

nilamo wrote: post #20
richard_chase wrote: post #14

I switched to Linux after Windows started showing me propaganda on the screen where you enter your password. To me, that's diabolical and forced me to make the switch. Sorry, I don't wish to "Learn more about Black-Owned Businesses" just to access my computer.

I, too, am irrationally furious at microsoft for forcing me to look at nature scapes and offering a link to learn more if I wanted.

What got me to angrily turn it off was a gigantic closeup of a moose face. It’s kind of funny now that I think about it but I have two 32” monitors and I really did not need 64” of moose lips and wet nostrils.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by nemomarx »

thunky wrote: post #41
epolanski wrote: post #29

I liked the path windows was going in late 2010s. WSL, power toys, many great utils, great performance. But it has since then stalled and got increasingly worse. Especially with this AI shoving everywhere, not even mentioning getting ads at some point in notifications and start menu. I'm not particularly in love with MacOS either (but have no realistic alternative on my MacBooks). I'm more and more inclined of switch…

> I'm more and more inclined of switching my desktop (my main working machine) to Omarchy Never heard of it and the website and GitHub repo sure aren't doing a great job of describing it's benefits. "Beautiful, Modern & Opinionated" are vague and really aren't adjectives I'd be looking for in an OS.

There's always been Arch linux based distros that come with more things set up and better (or just more specific) defaults. To my understanding Omarchy is just one of those, like Manjaro or etc in the past?

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by greenavocado »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #25
mixel wrote: post #3

It's not shocking they added even more bloatware to every microsoft program so even with the same OS kernel it would probably take longer. At this point it also got out of hand for Microsoft themselves if you have heard how they are going to speed up the explorer. Not by making it faster but by preloading it on startup so it feels snappier, there are 20 years of technical debt in I think you cannot save this anymore…

The last time this subject came up someone in the thread jumped up to explain to me how Windows 11 has all these great new features that make it worth being many times less performant. Every feature they listed was some anti-consumer thing that only a corporate customer would ever care about or want. Every single one. What I learned is that Windows 11 is great for the customer, I'm just not the customer. I'm just the…

- TPM 2.0 requirement

- Secure Boot enforcement

- Microsoft account requirement

- BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account

- Hardware attestation

- Telemetry/Data Collection

- Extensive diagnostic data collection

- Advertising ID tracking

- Activity history syncing

- Bing integration everywhere

- Edge as persistent default (difficult to change) - OneDrive integration/nagging

- Microsoft 365 upselling

- Copilot integration

- Widgets panel with MSN content

- Start menu web search forcing Bing

- Centered taskbar (not moveable)

- Simplified right-click menu (hiding options)

- Removed taskbar features (no drag-to-taskbar, no ungrouping)

- Start menu ads/recommendations Update Control

- Forced automatic updates

- Limited update deferral for Home users

- Feature updates bundled with security updates

- Device Management (Enterprise)

- Intune/MDM integration

- Windows Autopilot

- Azure AD requirements

- Remote wipe capabilities

- Monetization

- Ads in Start menu

- Ads in File Explorer

- Suggested apps

- Pre-installed third-party apps (Candy Crush, etc.)

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