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Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by skeledrew »

jameshart wrote: post #13

Sure. And driving on the left is one of the most reasonable sides of the road to drive on, but in a country where everyone drives on the right, it’s good to accept that, though driving on the left offers just as many advantages, nonetheless you shouldn’t insist on continuing to do so. Markdown is also one of the most reasonable markup languages to use for text, and it has won sufficient share that it should be your d…

Markdown can be trivially embedded in org-mode, so no need to even miss out on that which "won sufficient share": * Org with md block #+begin_src markdown ..... #+end_src

Markdown may be a winner, but preferring it when org-mode exists is like tying both arms behind my back and trying to do serious things with my feet.

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by 1313ed01 »

hahajk wrote: post #11

For me the thing keeping me on markdown is Obsidian on mobile - no other note taking app comes close. If they made an actual Emacs for mobile (actual emacs complete with elisp support, not the existing org mode apps) that was a pleasure to use, I would likely switch to that. As it is, the * vs # for headings makes switching between the two uncomfortable.

I have used Emacs on mobile for years. Works great in Termux on Android for instance. I use it daily and with the same .emacs.d (synced using git) as I use on computers, with just a few conditionals in init.el to not load too many bloated dependencies for things I am unlikely to use on my phone anyway.

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by skeledrew »

arboles wrote: post #12

Does Org have a mechanism for escaping its own syntax? Last time I searched, to type *this* (keeping the asterisks) you had to insert a zero-width space (U+200B). In markdown you just escape them with \*this\*.

What's the use case for escaping its syntax? At top level it's just an arbitrarily nested list.

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by seawsurf »

jameshart wrote: post #13

Sure. And driving on the left is one of the most reasonable sides of the road to drive on, but in a country where everyone drives on the right, it’s good to accept that, though driving on the left offers just as many advantages, nonetheless you shouldn’t insist on continuing to do so. Markdown is also one of the most reasonable markup languages to use for text, and it has won sufficient share that it should be your d…

It's a matter of taste, isn't it? It's like LaTeX vs. Typst. You create the environment that works best for you.

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by jameshart »

skeledrew wrote: post #21
jameshart wrote: post #13

Sure. And driving on the left is one of the most reasonable sides of the road to drive on, but in a country where everyone drives on the right, it’s good to accept that, though driving on the left offers just as many advantages, nonetheless you shouldn’t insist on continuing to do so. Markdown is also one of the most reasonable markup languages to use for text, and it has won sufficient share that it should be your d…

Markdown can be trivially embedded in org-mode, so no need to even miss out on that which "won sufficient share": * Org with md block #+begin_src markdown ..... #+end_src Markdown may be a winner, but preferring it when org-mode exists is like tying both arms behind my back and trying to do serious things with my feet.

So like,

   ```org-mode
   * this is org
   ```

?

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by jameshart »

seawsurf wrote: post #24
jameshart wrote: post #13

Sure. And driving on the left is one of the most reasonable sides of the road to drive on, but in a country where everyone drives on the right, it’s good to accept that, though driving on the left offers just as many advantages, nonetheless you shouldn’t insist on continuing to do so. Markdown is also one of the most reasonable markup languages to use for text, and it has won sufficient share that it should be your d…

It's a matter of taste, isn't it? It's like LaTeX vs. Typst. You create the environment that works best for you.

For personal workflows, yes. In your own backyard, you decide what side of the road you drive on.

But when building a product for other people to use - a messaging tool like slack or a commenting platform like GitHub code review…?

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by babarock »

jameshart wrote: post #13

Sure. And driving on the left is one of the most reasonable sides of the road to drive on, but in a country where everyone drives on the right, it’s good to accept that, though driving on the left offers just as many advantages, nonetheless you shouldn’t insist on continuing to do so. Markdown is also one of the most reasonable markup languages to use for text, and it has won sufficient share that it should be your d…

Are you suggesting I should pick the markup format for my private files according to the perceived popularity of another format?

I'm not sure what's your point. Are you telling people who use org-mode that they shouldn't?

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by jameshart »

babarock wrote: post #27
jameshart wrote: post #13

Sure. And driving on the left is one of the most reasonable sides of the road to drive on, but in a country where everyone drives on the right, it’s good to accept that, though driving on the left offers just as many advantages, nonetheless you shouldn’t insist on continuing to do so. Markdown is also one of the most reasonable markup languages to use for text, and it has won sufficient share that it should be your d…

Are you suggesting I should pick the markup format for my private files according to the perceived popularity of another format? I'm not sure what's your point. Are you telling people who use org-mode that they shouldn't?

No? I’m pushing back against advocacy for broader adoption of org mode beyond personal file markup though, which is what I feel like this piece is arguing.

> note that this is not about Emacs at all. This is about Org mode syntax and its advantages even when used outside of Emacs.

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by andai »

skeledrew wrote: post #17

I discovered and started using org-mode (and, as a result, Emacs) when I migrated from Evernote in '16. Today I use it for all my project, task and knowledge management needs, with some files going over 15MB in size. And I'm still loving it. Started out with headers only, and every time I wanted something more, it was always just there for the taking. Easy to use, and also crazy powerful. Can't think of anything else…

>some files going over 15MB in size

Word count ~3 million? (~60 novels worth!)

Re: Org Mode syntax is one of the most reasonable markup languages for text (2017)

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Post by afroisalreadyin »

skeledrew wrote: post #17

I discovered and started using org-mode (and, as a result, Emacs) when I migrated from Evernote in '16. Today I use it for all my project, task and knowledge management needs, with some files going over 15MB in size. And I'm still loving it. Started out with headers only, and every time I wanted something more, it was always just there for the taking. Easy to use, and also crazy powerful. Can't think of anything else…

I've started using org-mode couple of years ago, and write documents using the basic features like headers and formatting, links between docs, and code sections, but still haven't figured out which power features are the ones worth investing time into, and would be the most useful. Which further features would you recommend digging into, based on your experience?
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