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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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post #43

My dad got rid of his C15 after driving 1 million kilometers with it (rural France) The engine was fine surprisingly, the body was rusted to the bone though

That's fairly typical. I had a diesel from that era and it ended up in a boat when it already had 750K on it... it is still going as far as I know.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

#52

In Italy we had similar memes for the (old) Fiat Panda 4x4

Best car on snow ever. Like next one does not come even close.

Indeed, light and 4x4 is the best combo. I think the Citroen 2CV was pretty impressive as well and they did have that dual engine version (though it was never sold to the public).

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be the absolute dream engineering brief. If I actually sit down and design that vehicle, it would have something like this. List, off the top of my head. 1. You keep the modern metallurgy and the crumple zones. You keep ABS and basic traction control because they are solved problems that save lives without needing cloud connectivity. 2. Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in…

> The sane environmental stuff you mentioned has morphed into a requirement for deeply integrated electronic oversight Decent catalytic converters require an array of sensors, ECU, and ability to fine control the engine inputs to work - without them most large cities would become smog ridden hells.

This is why late 90s cars are objectively the greatest ever built. You had ECUs, cats, ABS, disc brakes, airbags, power steering, and conventional automatic transmissions. Everything that makes a modern car safe and reliable, but none of the high tech digital BS that has infused things nowadays.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

#54

Won't impress friends/chicks as an F150 or a Land Rover Discovery /s On a more serious note real (which is a minority) owners of bigger trucks need some serious torque for hauling.

I must have missed a memo, because every situation in which I've ever wanted to "impress a chick" has taken place indoors, or at least far from roads.

And yet lots of guys seem to spend an extra $30k or more on their vehicle for no additional utility beyond that. Literally who is impressed?

Then again, these are probably dudes who get their dating advice from the Tate brothers. /shrug

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

#55
post #50

Best car ever! I have seen then running in Spain forever and still work as the first day. Easiest car to repair ever and never breaks!

Easiest car to repair ever and never breaks! If it never breaks how do people know it's easy to repair?

Well, it never breaks as in: it will always get you to where you need to go because the engine just keeps running. Broken driveshaft? Stick a vice grip on it and keep rolling... And they're easy to repair because there isn't a lot in them to begin with, so you have a lot of room to work. Running gear wears and needs fixing but the core is nigh on indestructible. Same with the VW diesels from that era, the 1.9 mechanical.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

#56
Can you fit an 8'x4' sheet of plywood in it? My pickup truck wants to know. But it doesn't have to worry, because my other main use for it is as a large gas powered wheel barrow for carrying yard waste, and the little enclosed C15 can't compete.

In fact it looks like the love child my Ford F350 and a Citroen C2. But it can't be because I had the Ford fixed.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If your Range Rover breaks down in a field because a sensor in the air suspension noticed a voltage variance...you are stranded until a tow truck takes it to a dealer. No, you just reset the ECU and get on with your day.

With all due respect, you are confusing a software race condition with a hard fault in a safety critical system. Resetting the ECU only works if the error is a transient glitch in the code logic. If the failure is a physical sensor reading out of range? Furthermore, modern automotive architectures store permanent diagnostic trouble codes in non volatile memory specifically to prevent people from "just resetting it" t…

> If the failure is a physical sensor reading out of range?

Then you buy a new sensor and put it in, just like you would any other failed part.

> You would need a proprietary manufacturer tool to force a relearn or adaptation.

You can do almost anything you need to do with a non-proprietary Autel tool.

I mean, I get it, the manufacturers are absolutely doing their best these days to lock up repair and maintenance. But so many folks seem to throw their hands up and over-exaggerate the inability to fix modern cars. I've always worked on my own cars, from a 1960 Triumph TR3 to a 2025 Audi A3, and everything in between. Maybe once every four or five years have I hit something where I needed to take the car to the dealer, and that was true in the 1980s as well as today. Repair information for newer cars can be somewhat difficult to obtain (looking squarely at you, BMW) but with a bit of sailing the high seas, you can get all the shop manuals.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

#58

He's mixing US/UK vs France and 1985 vs 2025. Today, Citroen's equivalent offering is the Berlingo. Starts at 26k, not as much of a tank as the other cars but still way more massive than the C15.

Good luck fitting a full palette in a berlingo though

https://images.caradisiac.com/images/0/9/8/4/190984/S0-route...

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

#59
post #11

the milquetoast attempts at casting poorly-targeted stones at the beginning of this article really bring it down. Plenty of rural brits share exactly the same mentality, this just stinks of lack of cultural experience. it's a great vehicle, and I applaud the french approach to cars.

Truly rural Brits - Northumbria, the Devon uplands, Yorkshire Moors, the remoter parts of Scotland & Wales, sure.

Thing with England is that, being a small, flat and largely well-connected country, there's lots of places that identify strongly as rural but are, economically and culturally, more like outer-suburbia in a US context. That's where you'll find the Defender and F-150 crowd.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

#60
Most people who live in rural Britain today are still getting around in hatchbacks or estates (station wagons, to use the American term). The enormous SUVs are almost entirely driven by people who've used their money to buy into the countryside aesthetic.
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