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What happens when BunnyCDN finds itself in the same situation?

I suspect they'll follow the law and do what the court says rather than pleading to their feudal masters on twitter and threatening to throw their toys out of the pram

would they follow the chat control laws too to spy on all citizens?

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Regardless of whether the law is absurd or not (I honestly have no idea, but we've seen some crazy stuff lately in the EU), its kinda precious that a CEO only complains about it when his company is fined. I'm certain it is also quite reassuring for any paying Cloudflare customer that the company strategy is driven by the CEO Twitter rants; That if by some reason doesn't want to play ball with local laws (as draconian…

This 1000x times!

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“ The most famous dictatorship of the previous century was also democratically elected.” And how did it go from a democracy to a dictatorship? Because he convinced the people to give up their rights in response to a perceived threat.

No, actually, through a campaign of propaganda that wasn't stopped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung

Goebbels himself remarked how stupid the institutions were for granting them freedom of speech:

> When our enemies say: well, we gave you the freedom of opinion back then- yeah, you gave it to us, that's in no way evidence that we should return the favor! Your stupidity shall not be contagious! That you granted it to us is evidence of how dumb you are!

-- Joseph Goebbels, 1935

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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He's giving Italy and Italians fair warning that he will abandon the Italian market to avoid being subject to their laws, and I think it will go that way. I guess it's up to the Italians to find a replacement.

Find a replacement global edge network and get the rest of the world to use it?

At least 2 major competitors have good enough global edge networks.

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A giant middle finger to corruption by sucking up the most corrupt government the US has ever seen?

I don't know if you read the tweet? Maybe give it another go.

I did. It reads exactly the same. Suck up to the current US government.

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Probably because the admin has been vocal and proactive about extraterritorial overreach by European countries hellbent on global censorship programs. The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany. Both of those countries also attempt to censor speech OUTSIDE of their own countries too. https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

There are no "European Global Censorship Programs". Maybe try to get your information elsewhere than Fox News (based on the Nonsense in all your recent comments)

> There are no "European Global Censorship Programs".

Except Chat Control of course.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Let's be a bit more honest here, I think the Italian law is badly defined, but I also think the american perspective is wrong. We (all tech people everywhere me included) argued for a lot of time for free speech on the internet, but the result currently is that we built a system that is free speech for Russian and Chinese bots and actors. In Europe we are under daily attack from Russian accounts that spread massive a…

I see lots of disagreements here, but I must say I also soured on free speech. I used to think that free speech was necessary and overall a positive for society. Then I saw the Capitol attack in US. The disinformation spread in England about kids stabbed that led to riots. I see disinformation every day, especially from USA, saying Europe has no freedom, that it's overrun with criminals, and people not only believe i…

Yeah, I want to be more supportive of free speech, but I don’t think anyone is doing a great job of representing how to do it in the social media age. FIRE does a terrible job of it with mostly platitudes with no nuance.

But one maybe counterintuitive reason I don’t like free speech absolutism in the social media era — one of the platitude’s of FIRE is like, “the answer to hate speech is more speech” and “I want to know who the racist are so I can avoid them.”

1. The answer to nothin in this firehouse of speech in modern society is “more speech”.

2. Part of the peace we used to have in society is I didn’t have to know about everyone’s political opinions. Loosely speaking maybe I thought small-town folk were close minded, but there weren’t tens of thousands of examples of it across feeds on the internet all day.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Their dns service is used for circumventing illegal sports streams. And when a government institution wants to prevent that (ideally, before the end of that match) it is an evil cabal and cf is the protector of free internet and tags #elonmusk This must be a joke.

banning them outside of italy is evil. Fining 200% of revenue from italy is evil too
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