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Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

subsection1h wrote: post #82
SkyPuncher wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That misses the point. I don’t even want to think about any of that stuff. It’s a single command to install oh-my-zsh. I can fire it off, check Slack, and come back in 5 minutes. If I have to take 5 minutes to setup it up, I’m just not going to do it.

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Different strokes I guess. Personally I think any time spent tinkering with the shell is a waste of time: a basic, zero-customization bash is just as good at doing things for me as a shell that I've messed around with the settings on for ages. So I don't waste time on customizing my shell because it provides no value to me, while those who get value can spend the time. We both win.

Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat

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Post by stndef »

napkinartist wrote: post #98

The amount of time this author is complaining about is like, a fraction of the time I spend getting through the first few sips of coffee in my day. I'm sure there's so many bigger time optimizations to tackle first. This feels like a strange hang up to me.

I notice the delay, but I try to check myself with it. Not everything has to be instant gratification. We're ruining our brains.

Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat

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Post by [deleted] »

napkinartist wrote: post #98

The amount of time this author is complaining about is like, a fraction of the time I spend getting through the first few sips of coffee in my day. I'm sure there's so many bigger time optimizations to tackle first. This feels like a strange hang up to me.

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Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat

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Post by eddythompson80 »

rukshn wrote: post #123

I switched to fish shell with star ship. Fish has autocomplete and syntax highlighting out of the box which is quite neat and the main features I use in omgzh so fish was a safe choice for me https://ruky.me/moving-from-zsh-to-fish-nixos-darwin/

Fish is also not POSIX which has always been its, and my, issue. I use zsh+starship and my own very minimal init stuff+zsh autocomplete and syntaxhighlihg plugins. It’s not a perfect setup. I wish fish would “just work” but it doesn’t. Frequently I had to look up for “workarounds” for my setup. 25 years in, I think I got it and i just keep my zshrc and `machine-init.sh` on point for my-own-style-experience. I think a lot of that could be simplified with fish+starship, but it’s just not there.

Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat

#135

Post by arnvald »

I used Oh My Zsh for years, but there were literally 3-4 features I relied on: autocompletion, git plugin, history search, and one theme.

For some reason it was slow to load which I found annoying, so I used Claude Code to optimize it. In the end I ended up removing Oh My ZSH entirely, now I have a single .zshrc file that contains everything, and it became much faster.

Similarly I moved from Packer to Lazy.nvim and updated a number of libraries, and from iTerm to Ghostty, Claude Code essentially converted my configs in a matter of minutes

Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat

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Post by cranium »

It's funny how there are operations so sensitive to latency that even half a second feels too long.

However I agree with other comments that the author's baseline of 380ms is suspicious. I get 150ms (full config, 6 plugins) vs 50ms with no config and plugins.

Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat

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Post by Zarel »

FrenchTouch42 wrote: post #38
g947o wrote: post #4

I use oh my zsh for exactly one reason: I can get a good shell experience out of the box and immediately start working on stuff productively, whether it's a new machine, a new remote host or a container. I could spend hours figuring out all those things, bit I'd rather use that time for something more important.

Try https://starship.rs then. Starship gives you the same "drop in and go" experience but without the 200ms+ prompt lag. One curl -> one line in your rc file, works on zsh/bash/fish/whatever. Configuration is straightforward and easy imo: https://starship.rs/config/ Give it a spin, I think you won't regret it.

I'm surprised Starship is so popular. It's missing really basic powerlevel10k features like empty segments. If you look at some examples:

https://starship.rs/presets/gruvbox-rainbow

You can see that when the segments are empty, they still appear as a 1-width segment, rather than entirely disappearing.

It also makes you configure many things by hand. powerlevel10k has an interactive wizard that lets you design your prompt one option at a time (do you want a nerd font? do you want it one line or two? etc) but Starship makes you manually write escape codes if your preferences don't match one of the presets.

No judgment, but I do wonder what people like about Starship that makes up for these things.

Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat

#139

Post by ghusto »

After holding out for literally years after Mac changed their default shell to ZSH, I finally switched over. I didn't love it, but it was okay and had some niceties that I wasn't used to. Then I started to configure it and inevitably ran into Oh My Zsh, and spent some time playing around with that to get it how I liked.

In the end, I realised nothing was as good (to me) as my original Bash set up. I have all the features I need, it's universally supported, and it's fast.

Tip: Install the post GNU2 version from brew

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