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Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by bob1029 »

dpark wrote: post #39
bob1029 wrote: post #13

Something to consider is that the sub pixel layout of OLED is an engineering necessity to achieve longevity and cost (panel yield) objectives. LCD can have a uniform layout because it's a passive layer doing the filtering. In OLED, each pixel is active and that blue one is trying to burn itself out much faster than the other two.

QD OLED doesn’t actually have different colored OLED elements though. Does this apply to that tech?

QD is one big blue emitter. The geometry has to be optimized to spread the wear out accordingly. WOLED has a 4th large, white sub pixel because the RGB filters cannot pass enough light for high luminance scenes.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by ValdikSS »

wolvoleo wrote: post #54
ksec wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Friend on a 30Hz Phone Screen because of battery saving mode said the difference between 30Hz and 60Hz is so minor, that in "In practice, it's been unnoticeable." At one point in time 95%+ of HN comments were cheering on about Atom the text editor and later VSCode as being fast enough or unnoticeable. When Sublime user are baffled as to why. And Sublime isn't the fastest text editor either before Zed came out. Yes…

Yes this. I don't use screens below 200dpi anymore (right now I have 4K on 24", at 200% scaling) and many people say that it's a waste because it's way too high. But I can still see pixels that are off. I just love sharp text. Which everyone is used to on their phones, I don't understand why people don't want the same on their computer which they probably use a lot more hours per day (I sure do) I'm sure I would noti…

>right now I have 4K on 24", at 200% scaling

I have Dell P2415Q, from 2015. There are, like, 4 other (legacy) models of 24" 4K out there, and that's it. I've no idea why they don't manufacture them.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by lostlogin »

ggm wrote: post #42

I have sympathy because it's the kind of problem you probably cannot pick up in the shop, or quickly. You need time in your home, with your HDMI or D-Link, your ambient lighting, your settings. I begin to feel like we may need the equivalent of what audio shops used to have: a listening room with normal furniture and a big switch to test different things, but for eyes not ears. I only buy s/h Dell monitors 3-5 years…

> I begin to feel like we may need the equivalent of what audio shops used to have: a listening room with normal furniture and a big switch to test different things, but for eyes not ears.

It doesn’t even need this. The old way of buying stuff was from a shop. With big ticket items you build a relationship with staff and their recommendations helped. Now it’s all shipped or bought from faceless big box stores.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by writebetterc »

kstenerud wrote: post #50
theshackleford wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In practice for me, it's been unnoticeable. You act like being able to see this a minority opinion, it’s not, and it’s a known issue. And you don’t need to be sitting close, or using a tiny font to notice it. My 4K OLED is noticeably less clear compared to an IPS display and I’d never use it for productivity as a result, because why would I willingly subject myself to an objectively worse experience?

Whether it's a minority opinion or not, I really can't see the difference. Even when he posted highly zoomed images of VS Code ("Visual Studio Code does a wonderful job demonstrating this problem"), the only thing I noticed is that the image on the right looks slightly brighter than the image on the left. Then as I went back to where he was describing the problem ("fringing"), I kept forgetting when I scrolled back t…

I'm on a M4 Macbook, and I can see it. I'm inclined to totally accept the blog author's experience as true for them, I'd probably experience the same thing.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by thebruce87m »

modeless wrote: post #21

I can't bring myself to get an OLED when I know it will get the taskbar and window decorations burned into it after a few years. One day if they invent one with truly zero burn-in I'll consider it.

Yep, my LG TV got noticeable burn in after 5 years - Minecraft hearts and other gaming related things from my son. 9 years in and the colours in the middle of the screen are terrible too - I think the self-generated heat has caused this. It’s unwatchable for me but my wife doesn’t seem to mind.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by sirfz »

magicalhippo wrote: post #62
girvo wrote: post #11

As the article states, this is why RGB Stripe layouts are the next big things in OLED. Quite exciting, and sub pixel layouts that aren't good for text are exactly why I have an XG27AQMR in front of me for work/gaming instead of an OLED (27" IPS LCD, 1440p, 300hz)

I upgraded my 27" 1440p LCD to a 27" 4k OLED (PG27UCDM) and for me text rendering was a big upgrade. Yes there is color fringing if I take a zoomed in picture with my camera, but nothing I notice in day to day use. And I've been highly annoyed by missing or bad ClearType rendering. I specifically went for the 27" to get the extra pixel density though. I might not have been happy with the 32" variant. That said, the t…

I just ordered this monitor earlier this week (still waiting for it to be delivered), did you need to tweak it or use some thing like MacType like others are suggesting in this thread?

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by dpark »

bob1029 wrote: post #71
dpark wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

QD OLED doesn’t actually have different colored OLED elements though. Does this apply to that tech?

QD is one big blue emitter. The geometry has to be optimized to spread the wear out accordingly. WOLED has a 4th large, white sub pixel because the RGB filters cannot pass enough light for high luminance scenes.

Right. The monitor here is a QD OLED so all emitters are actually blue. That’s why I’m not sure if the physical size concern is as legitimate.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by montag »

namuol wrote: post #27

The issue is with font rendering software not properly accounting for the subpixel arrangement of the display. I guess it’s a valid concern from a simple pragmatic perspective as a consumer, but as an enthusiast it’s not strictly a problem with OLED. Surely there’s some work out there that tries to improve font rendering on nonuniform subpixel layouts, right?

I guess we need a font rendering engine for arbitrary subpixel layout...

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by ffsm8 »

aappleby wrote: post #18

This guy is complaining about fringing...on 9- and 10-pixel high fonts. That works out to 1.6mm or 1.8mm high characters on a 140 dpi screen, or about 1/16 of an inch. He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). But yeah, if you use a _tiny_ font and sit _really_ close to t…

> iMac to a Mac mini in late 2024

Windows?

Re: OLED, Not for Me

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Post by skullt »

aappleby wrote: post #18

This guy is complaining about fringing...on 9- and 10-pixel high fonts. That works out to 1.6mm or 1.8mm high characters on a 140 dpi screen, or about 1/16 of an inch. He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). But yeah, if you use a _tiny_ font and sit _really_ close to t…

> He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does).

I doubt it's Cleartype, the close up photo of the U3223QE show all subpixels uniformly dimmed on the fringes. The post also says the monitor is attached to a Mac mini and a previous post about OpenSCAD has a screenshot with MacOS window decorations.

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