Or simply use fish
Glad to see fish getting some shout outs here. Been using it for over ten years now, and it is super easy to get going on new hosts - it is just one simple install away.
Oh My Zsh adds bloat
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Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat
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That misses the point. I don’t even want to think about any of that stuff. It’s a single command to install oh-my-zsh. I can fire it off, check Slack, and come back in 5 minutes. If I have to take 5 minutes to setup it up, I’m just not going to do it.
Caring enough to read a blog post and comment on hackernews, but not enough to copy/paste the changes from the blog post is a very fine line.
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Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat
#93https://grml.org/zsh/ Simple, sensible defaults. Ships with the Arch Linux installation ISO.
Yes, that's also what I use. Always found oh-my-zsh a little too much and too hipster-y for my taste.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nushell. Still a terminal experience. But not a POSIX one. https://www.nushell.sh/
Colorful outputs and elaborately decorated error messages are cool but maybe it shouldn't deviate that far from POSIX shells. $ trap '' chld $ nu -c test Error: nu::shell::io::uncategorized_error × I/O error ╰─▶ × failed to get exit code ╭─[source:1:1] 1 │ test · ──┬─ · ╰── Uncategorized error ╰──── $
There are other options if you want POSIX. But nushell just does things differently (and in a much more sane way with pipes).
Why would you want `test -e "$foo"` when you have `$foo | path exists`? Why `test -n "$foo"` when you have an actual == comparison and pattern matching expressions? And you don't have to worry about quoting things just right in any of the situations.
Yes, you need to learn a little bit of a new thing. You can even implement a test function itself if you really want to. But sometimes it's nice to just dump the legacy baggage.
Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat
#95What workflow involves opening hundreds of shells every day? Like, I've got a half dozen shells open at any given time, and sometimes I gotta refresh or reboot, but even on my worst day in looking at two dozen.
How do you get to hundreds?
Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat
#96I use oh my zsh for exactly one reason: I can get a good shell experience out of the box and immediately start working on stuff productively, whether it's a new machine, a new remote host or a container. I could spend hours figuring out all those things, bit I'd rather use that time for something more important.
Try https://starship.rs then. Starship gives you the same "drop in and go" experience but without the 200ms+ prompt lag. One curl -> one line in your rc file, works on zsh/bash/fish/whatever. Configuration is straightforward and easy imo: https://starship.rs/config/ Give it a spin, I think you won't regret it.
I'm so glad I switched to fish, I'd rather have genuinely good settings out of the box rather than endless configuration, and honestly it's much better out of the box than any configuration I've ever had.
Only drawback is that it's not POSIX, no issue for me, but maybe for people who have a lot of muscle memory with bash.
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CachyOS is basically arch on easy mode. I used to spend countless hours tinkering with arch but then I got older and don’t have much time. Plus there are helpful meta packages for gaming that work great out of the box, which for a gamer like me sans Windows is pretty awesome.
I've tinkered at most an hour on my arch install and it's just been running smoothly. The installer these days is easy to go through as well. It's the same for bash, very little customization, then it runs smoothly for years. I'm not saying CachyOS is bad, just that it is in my opinion another layer of complexity that may change/deprecate/etc.
That’s fair, the more steps you take away from the source distribution, the more variances become a potential for trouble. Also it’s been over a decade since I used arch, it’s probably a whole lot better now.
Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat
#98The amount of time this author is complaining about is like, a fraction of the time I spend getting through the first few sips of coffee in my day. I'm sure there's so many bigger time optimizations to tackle first.
This feels like a strange hang up to me.
Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
That misses the point. I don’t even want to think about any of that stuff. It’s a single command to install oh-my-zsh. I can fire it off, check Slack, and come back in 5 minutes. If I have to take 5 minutes to setup it up, I’m just not going to do it.
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there's some nuance to this. people might want to spend minimal time hacking on their shell and more time hacking on things they find interesting that are not related to shell setup (and also not webshit). besides even if its webshit, what makes you say shell setup hacking is more or less interesting compared to webshit hacking. the term webshit itself implies you view it as less interesting than shell setup -- fair if thats your pov, but doesnt make it intrinsic.
Re: Oh My Zsh adds bloat
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You can replace nvm with https://mise.jdx.dev/ , it starts effectively instantly and works not only for node versions but all programming languages and tools. `mise use node@latest`
or asdf
I'm using Asdf too. Have heard well about Mise, but I haven't figured out what the difference is, so I have stayed with Asdf