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OLED, Not for Me

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Re: OLED, Not for Me

#31

This guy is complaining about fringing...on 9- and 10-pixel high fonts. That works out to 1.6mm or 1.8mm high characters on a 140 dpi screen, or about 1/16 of an inch. He's also got Cleartype on and set to RGB stripe even though the OLED is not RGB stripe (though to be fair, Windows doesn't really make it clear what each page of the ClearType tuner does). But yeah, if you use a _tiny_ font and sit _really_ close to t…

> In practice for me, it's been unnoticeable. You act like being able to see this a minority opinion, it’s not, and it’s a known issue. And you don’t need to be sitting close, or using a tiny font to notice it. My 4K OLED is noticeably less clear compared to an IPS display and I’d never use it for productivity as a result, because why would I willingly subject myself to an objectively worse experience?

It's a tradeoff - if you want a fast clear gaming monitor with pure blacks, you get an OLED. If you want the clearest text and are OK with middling response time, you get an IPS.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

#32
post #11

As the article states, this is why RGB Stripe layouts are the next big things in OLED. Quite exciting, and sub pixel layouts that aren't good for text are exactly why I have an XG27AQMR in front of me for work/gaming instead of an OLED (27" IPS LCD, 1440p, 300hz)

I wonder if the RGB strip layout has some downsides, and why such a no brainer idea hasn’t been tried before. If I had to guess it could be something in the manufacturing process is more difficult.

They've just have had issues manufacturing it, but there were several monitors from MSI, Asus and Gigabyte with Samsung's latest gen QD-OLED display announced (and reviewed) this week with RGB stripe subpixel layout, so we are there now (as soon as they are available), and this article is somewhat poorly timed.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

#33
post #27

The issue is with font rendering software not properly accounting for the subpixel arrangement of the display. I guess it’s a valid concern from a simple pragmatic perspective as a consumer, but as an enthusiast it’s not strictly a problem with OLED. Surely there’s some work out there that tries to improve font rendering on nonuniform subpixel layouts, right?

> Surely there’s some work out there that tries to improve font rendering on nonuniform subpixel layouts, right?

Only Microsoft can fix it, and as far as I know, they don't seem interested.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

#34
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a 49" QD-OLED panel. I have never been one to find visual artifacts distracting, but fonts were awfully jaggy in Linux to the point I spent a week tinkering with font config and almost switched panels to a larger miniled since code looked horrible. And I'm someone who was fine with horrible VA low res low quality screens back in the day. The sub pixel geometry on samsung's qd-oled needs very specific font conf…

What resolution is that display?

The 49" panels I see are 5120x1440, or 109 ppi - not particularly dense.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

#35

I can't bring myself to get an OLED when I know it will get the taskbar and window decorations burned into it after a few years. One day if they invent one with truly zero burn-in I'll consider it.

While it may be a concert, you might play in full screen for example or have other stuff full screen.

It will take so long for burn in that you probably want to buy something new anyway.

My LG OLED 4k tv is by far the best picture I ever had.

My Samsung 4k 27" gaming OLED is beautiful when gaming too

Re: OLED, Not for Me

#36
post #11

As the article states, this is why RGB Stripe layouts are the next big things in OLED. Quite exciting, and sub pixel layouts that aren't good for text are exactly why I have an XG27AQMR in front of me for work/gaming instead of an OLED (27" IPS LCD, 1440p, 300hz)

I wonder if the RGB strip layout has some downsides, and why such a no brainer idea hasn’t been tried before. If I had to guess it could be something in the manufacturing process is more difficult.

Originally OLED TVs used different sized subpixels for different colors as part of their wear management. Red wears out the fastest so it would have the largest subpixel.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In practice for me, it's been unnoticeable. You act like being able to see this a minority opinion, it’s not, and it’s a known issue. And you don’t need to be sitting close, or using a tiny font to notice it. My 4K OLED is noticeably less clear compared to an IPS display and I’d never use it for productivity as a result, because why would I willingly subject myself to an objectively worse experience?

Every 4k OLED I've used has been perfectly adequate for programming.

> perfectly adequate

Exactly what I want for the thing I stare at for 8 hours/day. Not great. Not good. Perfectly adequate.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

#38
I really love my qd-oled but the eye strain over the last 2 years when using this particular monitor is quite a bit more than my previous monitors. I just recently got better backlighting and went through some settings tweaking but it's still a bit harsh.

The tradeoff is worth it in a lot of scenarios, but I've been thinking about getting a "coding only" monitor that I use for long sessions instead.

Re: OLED, Not for Me

#39
post #13

Something to consider is that the sub pixel layout of OLED is an engineering necessity to achieve longevity and cost (panel yield) objectives. LCD can have a uniform layout because it's a passive layer doing the filtering. In OLED, each pixel is active and that blue one is trying to burn itself out much faster than the other two.

QD OLED doesn’t actually have different colored OLED elements though. Does this apply to that tech?

Re: OLED, Not for Me

#40
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every 4k OLED I've used has been perfectly adequate for programming.

> perfectly adequate Exactly what I want for the thing I stare at for 8 hours/day. Not great. Not good. Perfectly adequate.

That reminds me of the swearing in speech of the new VP in The West Wing.
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