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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by oaiey »

fph wrote: post #132
bflesch wrote: post #11

Not a good look on that guy to list his "pro-bono" services and threaten to pull them while asking JD Vance for his help. How is he expecting the Milano-Cortina 2026 Winter Olympics to influence some representative of media right holders who have fined Cloudflare? Is he assuming that just because all of the listed things are Italian they can just make the fine go away?

It is not unrealistic at all. The Olympics are run by politicians, essentially, since they appoint the committees, make the investments, build the infrastructure. And the ones pushing for these bans are the sport media tycoons: this fight isn't about Anna's Archive, it is about people watching soccer illegally. Because that is where the real money is.

Yeah correct. I hate this so much in this topic. I hate the disrespect for the law in this topic here but he is right here. The Olympics, soccer and all the other sports (but also other billionaires businesses) have to be put back in their place. How is FIFA able to prevent me from drinking my favourite beer in the city center of my favourite town just because world cup is on town.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by deadbabe »

NewJazz wrote: post #446
deadbabe wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really doesn’t matter what administration is in charge, at a certain level you have to curry favor with whatever administration is in power and hold your true motives close to your chest. People seem to think what people say in public is perfect knowledge of their true intentions. No. What they say is what they want someone to hear them say. There is nothing to gain by saying what you really feel, no one can prove…

Yeah well nobody glazed Biden or Kamala's dicks that hard.

Because it got you nothing

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by oaiey »

everfrustrated wrote: post #22
bflesch wrote: post #11

Not a good look on that guy to list his "pro-bono" services and threaten to pull them while asking JD Vance for his help. How is he expecting the Milano-Cortina 2026 Winter Olympics to influence some representative of media right holders who have fined Cloudflare? Is he assuming that just because all of the listed things are Italian they can just make the fine go away?

It seems the panel that fined him is politically appointed so seems reasonable to reach for politics to attempt to fight/resolve it.

The panel is backed by a law. Respect the law. Italy has a judicial system and in cases like this, probably some EU court could be also called. US politicians can reach out to EU/Italian politics to harmonize trade... But wait, do not we kill trade deals. They are so unfair (aka. compromises)

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by Dansvidania »

Sol- wrote: post #394

His tone and sucking up to his authoritarian government will probably only serve to negatively polarize Europe against Cloudflare, even if he might have a point of the substance itself.

The post is unhinged. Basically a tantrum. It’s sad really. It reminds me of https://www.kalzumeus.com/2017/09/09/identity-theft-credit-r...

tldr you don’t get angry discussing with institutions because it makes you look like an amateur.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by sidibe »

user34283 wrote: post #507
bflesch wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is a big strategic mistake for him to personally take ownership of this topic and to elevate it on a political level. He openly aligned himself with two people who are extremely unpopular in Europe, while threatening an important EU member state. I think his hubris makes him overestimate Cloudflare's importance for Europe. Cloudflare is simply not important enough. If it was Microsoft or Apple threatening,…

Musk and JD Vance are not "extremely unpopular in the EU", they are primarily unpopular with progressives, regardless of the location. It sounds like you're just upset the Cloudflare CEO sides with conservatives on this particular issue.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but they are, in fact, extremely unpopular in EU

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by oaiey »

jules wrote: post #484
tacker2000 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, he seems to be ranting and escalating unnecessarily.

The are fining his company 213% of yearly Italian revenue. He is not the one escalating.

He took a risk in ignoring a law instead of exiting the market. They did not escalate, they applied the law.

What we need is an international legal framework for the Internet. And that includes compromises on all sides. China, EU, Russia, US and others have very different understanding on what is right. But hey, I think US politics is America first and cancel all international treaties. Sounds like more problems like this are incoming.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by selfmodruntime »

jacquesm wrote: post #468
selfmodruntime wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And you are falling into the trap of thinking that if a person is busy deconstructing what used to be one of the larger democracies in the world that their other words are going to be taken at face value, which obviously is not going to happen. No. I'm identifying this one statement as factual, regardless of the person saying it. Surely then, you would not deny the color of the sun to be yellow just because Pot mig…

That's besides the point: JD Vance and Musk are precisely the wrong entities to have opinions on stuff like this because they are on the wrong side of that line most of the time. Especially Musk, but Vance has his own ulterior motives to berate the EU on anything so regardless of the outcome it will be tainted.

> JD Vance and Musk are precisely the wrong entities to have opinions on stuff like this because they are on the wrong side of that line most of the time. Especially Musk, but Vance has his own ulterior motives to berate the EU on anything so regardless of the outcome it will be tainted.

People focus on Vance in this issue because they hate him and hate is easy to come by. They ignore that popular Democrats and progressives said the same thing. Hell, even the Atlantic posted a piece about the issue.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by user34283 »

sidibe wrote: post #545
user34283 wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk and JD Vance are not "extremely unpopular in the EU", they are primarily unpopular with progressives, regardless of the location. It sounds like you're just upset the Cloudflare CEO sides with conservatives on this particular issue.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but they are, in fact, extremely unpopular in EU

You believe Musk is unpopular with conservatives in the EU?

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by oaiey »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #438
gkoz wrote: post #120

A person praising Vance and Musk obviously doesn't value due process, judicial oversight and ultimately decency.

Please don't make everything into us versus them. Also that paragraph is very critical as far as praise goes.

You are right. But there is a point here that international harmonization and compromise is a solution here. Which is not exactly a strength of an America First policy.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by oaiey »

linkregister wrote: post #205
anticristi wrote: post #28

This is great news! Who would have expected Cloudflare to truly contribute to EU digital sovereignty. On a more serious note, I'm surprised Cloudflare wants to pull out of Italy. Being a company which terminates TLS connections for Italy must be a gold mine for the NSA.

Cloudflare and other US tech companies base business decisions on revenue (and apparently on emotion), not allegiance to government agencies that have fallen out of fashion.

A bit naive concerning the leaks of 15 years ago. NSA cooperation with big tech is very well known.
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