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Re: Ask HN - Where do you look for jobs?

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One strategy if you're already in SF or SV is to figure out the places that tech folks congregate and passively get leads while doing other work. When I moved to SF a few months ago and was jobhunting I would go to Four Barrel Coffee in the Mission while I was writing my cover letters and doing recruiter correspondence. I'd make a point of talking to anyone who came in the door with a startup tee or hoodie on and tell them what I was doing.

This meant that my list of places to apply to actually grew every time I went to go and knock a few off my list. I met a lot of interesting engineers this way and generated a lot of leads that I wouldn't have found through HN Hiring or other boards. In some cases I found jobs that weren't posted online until after I found out about them in person.

Re: Ask HN - Where do you look for jobs?

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Would you give me an example of "putting the right things in your profile" ? Might be far-fetched but, if I could see an example of "Mr.X"'s profile, that would be great starting point.

In my case it was just a matter of playing the game. I added people that I had interacted with at my previous companies as connections, I listed any articles I've written, put up links to personal projects/sites and reduced my skills to a small list of strong skills. I also joined a few small but known groups related to my work and made a couple of posts. Nothing too special, just a few posts here and there to answer…

I'd expect that in addition to 'completeness' you're also landing at the top of the 'last updated' sorting as well.

Re: Ask HN - Where do you look for jobs?

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Can you be more specific about this part: "Then, I contact those companies. I set up meetings when I can" How do you contact them, how do you pitch the idea of meeting with you?

(Thanks for asking! I'm about to meet with a client, so this is pretty stream of consciousness. If you have any questions, leave them here or shoot me an email at kai@kaisdavis.com!) I pitch the meeting as an informational interview to learn about the industry. I let them know I'm active / looking to enter the industry and I have a few questions for a 15-20 minute meeting. I'll check LinkedIn / my personal network /…

I'm really intrigued by your approach. But doesn't this come across as nagging? I get the first email, and it's perfectly fine by me. I wouldn't mind receiving such an email. But the second one seems a bit spammy to me.

Can you share what kind of feedback you got from those emails? What is your success ratio?

Re: Ask HN - Where do you look for jobs?

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I don't want to sound like a douche but I've never looked for a job on a website. Each time i needed a job i got an offer from a company or from someone in my network. To grow your professional network I would recommend to attend to meetups, hackathons, user groups or even better to get involve in the organization. It worked pretty well for me. I met some incredible people and got some good jobs offer.

> To grow your professional network I would recommend to attend to meetups, hackathons, user groups or even better to get involve in the organization. It worked pretty well for me.

Everyone of these meetups I've been to feels so...forced? I don't know but I've never really felt comfortable at these kinds of things. It's always so contrived?

Re: Ask HN - Where do you look for jobs?

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Thanks for asking! I'm about to meet with a client, so this is pretty stream of consciousness. If you have any questions, leave them here or shoot me an email at kai@kaisdavis.com!) I pitch the meeting as an informational interview to learn about the industry. I let them know I'm active / looking to enter the industry and I have a few questions for a 15-20 minute meeting. I'll check LinkedIn / my personal network /…

I'm really intrigued by your approach. But doesn't this come across as nagging? I get the first email, and it's perfectly fine by me. I wouldn't mind receiving such an email. But the second one seems a bit spammy to me. Can you share what kind of feedback you got from those emails? What is your success ratio?

Hey CWIZO,

The second one is a phone call, not an email. I'd refer to it as being 'forceful' or 'insisting.' I'm interested in setting up a meeting and sometimes the person I want to meet with, sees the email, but is buried under 100 more important things to do and doesn't get a chance to respond back.

Giving a quick, direct phone call

> 'Hey, I'd love to meet, I'm Kai, I emailed a few days ago, would meeting for an informational interview this Friday for 20 minutes work for you? (yes/no)'

can be a great way to get a direct response and fast.

What's the worst case? They say 'Sorry, I can't meet.' I'd rather have that direct answer than wonder about unreturned email.

My success ratio is high enough that I'm happy with this method. I don't have detailed records of how it's performed, but I'd guess that somewhere between 10% and 25% of the emails and calls I make turn into meetings. I'm really happy with that math.

Feedback is either 'Hey, we'd love to meet, how about ' or 'Sorry, I can't meet.'

If they say they can't meet, I either ask them if they know of a similar company they can direct me to that I can meet with or ask if they have time for one quick question (generally I ask what skill they're looking for in applicants and candidates).

I'm moving to Honolulu in November and I'm excited to double down on using this method again.

Re: Ask HN - Where do you look for jobs?

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Thanks for asking! I'm about to meet with a client, so this is pretty stream of consciousness. If you have any questions, leave them here or shoot me an email at kai@kaisdavis.com!) I pitch the meeting as an informational interview to learn about the industry. I let them know I'm active / looking to enter the industry and I have a few questions for a 15-20 minute meeting. I'll check LinkedIn / my personal network /…

I'm really intrigued by your approach. But doesn't this come across as nagging? I get the first email, and it's perfectly fine by me. I wouldn't mind receiving such an email. But the second one seems a bit spammy to me. Can you share what kind of feedback you got from those emails? What is your success ratio?

It's worth pointing out that Kai is a marketing specialist, and this is fairly normal (read: not bad) behavior when it comes to doing marketing. Keep in mind that he's spacing it out by a few days, which matters, and the follow-up actually demonstrates that he's (1) a human and (2) very interested.
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