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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by 0xy »

npodbielski wrote: post #35

"EU shadow cabal" funny considering that he then mentions running for help to US politicians.

Probably because the admin has been vocal and proactive about extraterritorial overreach by European countries hellbent on global censorship programs.

The UK has thrown thousands of people in jail for speech on social media, as has Germany. Both of those countries also attempt to censor speech OUTSIDE of their own countries too.

https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by gibbsnich »

If american corps do not want to play according to European rules: go ahead, just stop doing business in Europe. Europe will be fine! Understand that there are other things than the US‘s commercial interests even though it seems ATM that’s everything the US is: commercial interests. On the east, on the west: Wake up!

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by blibble »

great_wubwub wrote: post #193
blibble wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USian tech-CEO posting petulant self-serving arguments about "FREEDOM" on twitter? what a cliche cloudflare have deliberately designed their network so that every IP can serve up every cloudflare website this means a court order can't block a single cloudflare site without blocking every cloudflare site, causing massive collateral damage I suspect this is a deliberate business decision: an attempt to raise the "cost"…

> this means a court order can't block a single cloudflare site without blocking every cloudflare site Not true. Cloudflare can't block only a single web site _by IP address_ but that's pretty common with IPv4, The same is true of Fastly and AWS and I'd be shocked if there's a mass-market CDN out there that has a unique IPv4 address per customer. They can absolutely block any site they want at the application layer (…

> I'd be shocked if there's a mass-market CDN out there that has a unique IPv4 address per customer.

fortunately you only need to farm out the ones out that are under court orders

> They can absolutely block any site they want at the application layer (SNI or Host header or whatever they use, IDK, I'm a network guy).

these court orders usually work by getting end user ISPs (which are regulated) to block or reroute the IP and/or DNS entry

neither of which can be realistically done due to conscious decisions by cloudflare

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by hermanzegerman »

rpdillon wrote: post #169
danielspace23 wrote: post #125

I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…

Cloudflare is clearly in the right. Global censorship from an unaccountable cabal is a moral wrong. There's no sense in which Italy somehow 'wins' here, because even if they win, they lose.

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Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by linkregister »

anticristi wrote: post #28

This is great news! Who would have expected Cloudflare to truly contribute to EU digital sovereignty. On a more serious note, I'm surprised Cloudflare wants to pull out of Italy. Being a company which terminates TLS connections for Italy must be a gold mine for the NSA.

Cloudflare and other US tech companies base business decisions on revenue (and apparently on emotion), not allegiance to government agencies that have fallen out of fashion.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by jimnotgym »

danielspace23 wrote: post #125

I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…

I also didn't enjoy the bit where, after saying the EU was against what Italy is doing, then blames the whole continent of Europe for this policy...and then inflicting it on the UK, which despite brexit, is still in Europe

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by heraldgeezer »

danielspace23 wrote: post #125

I'm Italian, and as much as I think Piracy Shield shouldn't exist, I find hard to empathize with Cloudflare, especially after this tweet. First off, the immediate appeal to Vance and Musk is embarrassing. I believe he knows he's technically in the wrong for not abiding to the law, so gathering the sympathy of the "freedom fighters" of the web is all he can do. But the funniest part about this tweet are the "threats"…

>In this political climate, Cloudflare siding with the current administration's general line of "we're Americans, our economy is strong so we're above international law" sends a message I don't think they fully understand

International law??

Italian law you mean.

Why should 1.1.1.1 block a site because some Italian wanted it blocked? Sod off.

Also I am Swedish, so EU here too. Sick of this whiny victim attitude.

Re: Cloudflare CEO on the Italy fines

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Post by heraldgeezer »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #204
rpdillon wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare is clearly in the right. Global censorship from an unaccountable cabal is a moral wrong. There's no sense in which Italy somehow 'wins' here, because even if they win, they lose.

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