Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.
Eventually though I suspect that web access to banks will be rescinded too, much like HMRC in the UK no longer permits companies to submit their taxes through the websites. In the future, everything will need an 'app'.
The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
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Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#32Serious question, what is gained from this move? Why would a government care? Are rooted phones really that much of a problem? Surely most people running a rooted phone are tech enthusiasts. Cybercriminals will just use regular phones bought under false names and dispose of them afterwards.
the banks would care. less money spent on security or dealing with clients who had their money stolen
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#33Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.
on the other hand phone does not require you to verify with your pc, so there's no second factor unless there is some unacessible secure island within the phone itself.
funny enough, you can probably use that website directly on the phone that you use as 2F, which probably circumvents the 2F idea (at least as long as you use SMS 2F instead of app that checks for root)
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#34One phone for banking and another one for browsing.
In this economy? /s The other more compelling reason why people would have a rooted phone is to run ROMs that may still be providing OS support where the stock OS has been abandoned or EOL'd by the developer. Having an unlocked bootloader at the minimum would be required in those scenarios. It actually saves hardware that still works from ending up in landfills. edit: spelling
Incidentally, if anyone wants some collector's edition Google/Android devices...
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#35Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.
Of course they slathered the app with tracking, 'security', and analytics SDKs, so rooted devices are rejected. I had no way to log into this bank account after they made that change, which is simply wonderful.
Anyways, they're not yet at the point where they've learned to do the checks server-side. For now it's a one line patch to skip the root screen. But the Play Integrity API is designed correctly, if they learn to use it, there will be no workaround without someone finding a hardware vulnerability somewhere.
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#36Smart phones are not personal computers. They're shopping/government/etc terminals. You don't and never have controlled them, even with root (re: tight integration of the baseband computer which only the telco has a license for, not you). Their best use re: computing is acting as wifi hotspot for their cell telco CNAT connection. The time to stop using them as computers is now, not when your local government passes t…
you are right, but you are misplacing the blame. it's not that you dont own your phone, it's that you dont own your bank account and the bank can dictate how you access it
The National Credit Union Federation of Korea (NACUFOK) represents over 800 member-owned unions (https://www.cu.co.kr/english/main.do), and then there is the even larger Saemaul Geumgo (MG) network which operates as community credit cooperatives with millions of members. These people ostensibly own their "bank" accounts.
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#37Do those same banks have websites that you can access from a computer with root access? Most likely, yes.
In Hungary, where the central bank created the same rule about not allowing banking apps on "unoffical" devices, they do, but you need either the app or SMS for 2FA. Apparently they consider SMS secure...
Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#38Isn't that what happens in Europe with most rooted phones and banks too? At least I can remember my banking apps stopped working.
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#39Re: The Vietnam government has banned rooted phones from using any banking app
#40I really don't understand this. My line of thinking is that if someone is technical enough to root his phone he understands the risks. Why would they force banking apps to detect and not work on rooted phones? Why would the government care so much?
Whereas previously the app displays a 'whitelisted' set of UI options to the user, the rooted user could use employee only methods. Somewhere or other every bank has methods that set balances on accounts.
To be honest a law like this makes security by the extremely modest obscurity of not having an "increase your balance" button on the app UI much more tempting.