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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by kelnos »

rocqua wrote: post #209
BoiledCabbage wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is embarrassing to restrict an open source tool that is (IMO) a strictly and very superior piece of software from using your model. > Shutting down the other tool, if that's what's in fact happening, is what is embarrassing. To rephrase it different as I feel my question didn't land. It's clear to me that you think it's embarrassing. And it's clear what you think is embarrassing. I'm trying to understand why you…

If your value proposition is: do X, and then you have to take action against an open source competitor for doing X better, that shows that you were beaten at the thing you tried very hard at, by people with way fewer resources. I can see why you would call that embarrassing.

The competitor is not "doing X better"; it's more complicated than that.

CC isn't just the TUI tool. It's also the LLM behind it. OC may have built a better TUI tool, but it's useless without an LLM behind it. Anthropic is certainly within their rights to tell people they can only integrate their models certain ways.

And as for why this isn't embarrassing, consider that OC can focus 100% of their efforts on their coding tool. Anthropic has a lot of other balls in the air, and must do so to remain relevant and competitive. They're just not comparable businesses.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by icsrutil »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

> They can and should just open source it now

Why you have this idea? why they should open source it now?

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by touristtam »

elAhmo wrote: post #261
wooger wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to understand what Anthropic are getting from forcing more people to use Claude Code vs any other tools via the API. Why do they care? Do they somehow get better analytics or do they dream that there's a magical lock-in effect... from a buggy CLI?

Not that hard to understand, they want to control how their users use their product. A CLI they built, even acquiring the framework it was built in, is a way to achieve that.

But to make a "gauche" analogy, that would be like Microsoft not letting you browse their websites without using their browser (Edge).

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by piokoch »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

My problem with CC is that it is trying to be very creative. I am asking it to fix some test, or create a new test. What it is doing? It is running grep to find all tests in the code base and parses them. This eats a lot of tokens.

Then it runs the test, as if I could not do this myself, it reads the output, sometimes very long (so more and more tokens are burned) and so on.

If people had to pay for this cleverness and creativity an API price, they would be a bit shocked and give up quickly CC.

Using Aider with Claude Sonnet I am eating much less tokens than CC does.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by piokoch »

baby wrote: post #143
dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

Aren't you happy that you can use claude code unlimited for only 200/month? I don't really get your point tbh

It is not unlimited, being not careful with your context management, you hit the limits quickly.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by B480FA8D »

minimaxir wrote: post #2

This appears to be a part of a crackdown on third-party clients using Claude Code's credentials/subscriptions but not through Claude Code. Not surprising as this type of credential reuse is always a gray area, but weird Anthropic deployed it on a Thursday night without any warning as the inevitable shitstorm would be very predictable.

The "crackdown" is really mild though. To be fair to Anthropic, I don't think they have been committed to banning third-party tools.

github:anomalyco/opencode?rev=5e0125b78c8da0917173d4bcd00f7a0050590c55 (a trivial patch that works for now)

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by llmslave2 »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by kar1181 »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

Anthropic want you to use claude code cli badly and are prepared to be very generous if you do. People want to take that generosity without the reciprocity.

I don't normally like to come down on the side of the megabigcorp but in this case anthropic aren't being evil. Not yet anyway.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by llmslave2 »

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #62
dboon wrote: post #15

This is an unusual L for Anthropic. The unfortunate truth is that the engineering in opencode is so far ahead of Claude Code. Obviously, CC is a great tool, but that's more about the magic of the model than the engineering of the CLI. The opencode team[^1][^2] built an entire custom TUI backend that supports a good subset of HTML/CSS and the TypeScript ecosystem (i.e. not tied to Opencode, a generic TUI renderer). Th…

> Anyway, this is embarrassing for Anthropic. Why? A few times in this thread I hear people saying "they shouldn't have done this" or something similar but not given any reason why. Listing features you like of another product isn't a reason they shouldn't have done it. It's absolutely not embarrassing, and if anything it's embarrassing they didn't catch and do it sooner.

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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by isodev »

wiseowise wrote: post #259
lomase wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither LLM can reason about anything. Reasoning is an human trait.

Whatever you say lol.

The usage of the word "reasoning" in the context of LLMs, just like the "I" in "AI", that's more marketing than a technical reality. I know it can be confusing.
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