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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

potamic wrote: post #97
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not up to you or me. I think it's pretty clear by the phrase "Claude Code subscription" that it's meant for only "Claude Code". Why are you confused? This could be so easily abused by companies who spend thousands of dollars per month for API costs you could just reverse engineer it and use the subscription tokens to get that down to a few hundred

I don't think they are confused. They are simply challenging the assertion that the model should not work with other software. Which is fair because there is a lot of precedent around whether a service can dictate how it must be consumed. It's not a simple answer and there are good reasons for both sides. Whichever path we take will have wide consequences and shape our future in a very distinct way. So it is an impor…

"challenging the assertion that the model should not work with other software"

This has nothing to do with "the model". You can use "the models" through the API for anything.

This has to do with access to a specific product being abused to then get low-cost API access for other use cases

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by 3abiton »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

> Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscription, not the open-source OpenCode CLI.

Because they are harvesting all the data they can harvest through CLI to train further models. API access in contrast provides much more limited data

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by OGEnthusiast »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

> More importantly, Anthropic should have open sourced their Claude Code CLI a year ago. (They can and should just open source it now.)

Isn't the whole thesis behind LLM coding that you can easily clone the CLI using an LLM? Otherwise what are you paying $200/mo for?

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by underdeserver »

OGEnthusiast wrote: post #123
dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

> More importantly, Anthropic should have open sourced their Claude Code CLI a year ago. (They can and should just open source it now.) Isn't the whole thesis behind LLM coding that you can easily clone the CLI using an LLM? Otherwise what are you paying $200/mo for?

In some sense that's what OpenCode is, and Anthropic's not having that.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by Xevion »

dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

> Anthropic shouldn't have an all-you-can-eat plan for $200 when their pay-as-you-go plan would cost more than $1,000+ for comparable usage. Their subscription plans should just sell you API credits at, like, 20% off.

Sorry, I don't understand this. Either you're saying

A) Everyone paying $200/mo should now pay $800/mo to match this 20% off figure you're theorizing... or B) Maybe you're implying that the $1,000+ costs are too high and they should be lowered, to like, what, $250/mo? (250 - 20% = $200)

Which confuses me, because neither option is feasible or ever gonna happen.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by ChaseRensberger »

Wow, i sat down to do a little bit of late night coding and ended up running into this nightmare. Just canceled my anthropic subscription and started paying for opencode zen. Unfortunately opencode is enough of a better product i will indeed pay 10 times the price to use it.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by OGEnthusiast »

underdeserver wrote: post #124
OGEnthusiast wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More importantly, Anthropic should have open sourced their Claude Code CLI a year ago. (They can and should just open source it now.) Isn't the whole thesis behind LLM coding that you can easily clone the CLI using an LLM? Otherwise what are you paying $200/mo for?

In some sense that's what OpenCode is, and Anthropic's not having that.

This whole thing just seems like a "I never thought the leopards would eat my face" by all the people who have been shilling LLMs non-stop.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by eli »

3abiton wrote: post #122
dfabulich wrote: post #112

For folks not following the drama: Anthropic's $200/month subscription for Claude Code is much cheaper than Anthropic's pay-as-you-go API. In a month of Claude Code, it's easy to use so many LLM tokens that it would have cost you more than $1,000 if you'd paid via the API. Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscript…

> Why is Anthropic offering such favorable pricing to subscribers? I dunno. But they really want you to use the Claude Code™ CLI with that subscription, not the open-source OpenCode CLI. Because they are harvesting all the data they can harvest through CLI to train further models. API access in contrast provides much more limited data

Claude Code only trains on data if you opt in

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by [deleted] »

behnamoh wrote: post #11

Anthro is having its Apple moment: too many customers means the company is always on the news, for better or worse. When iPhones receive negative reviews it's not like only Apple screwed up; others did too, but they sell so much less than Apple that no one hears about them: "Apple violated my privacy a tiny bit" makes the news; "Xiaomi sold my fingerprint info to 3rd party vendors" doesn't. Similarly, Anthropic is un…

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