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Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by eru »

IgorPartola wrote: post #59
dboon wrote: post #15

This is an unusual L for Anthropic. The unfortunate truth is that the engineering in opencode is so far ahead of Claude Code. Obviously, CC is a great tool, but that's more about the magic of the model than the engineering of the CLI. The opencode team[^1][^2] built an entire custom TUI backend that supports a good subset of HTML/CSS and the TypeScript ecosystem (i.e. not tied to Opencode, a generic TUI renderer). Th…

My favorite is running CC in a screen session. There if I type out a prompt and then just start holding down the backspace key to delete a bunch of characters, at some point they key press refresh rate outruns CC’s brains and it just starts acting like it moved the cursor but didn’t delete anything. It is an embarrassing bug, but one that I suspect wouldn’t be found in automated testing.

Have you tried tmux?

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

casparvitch wrote: post #50
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not up to you or me. I think it's pretty clear by the phrase "Claude Code subscription" that it's meant for only "Claude Code". Why are you confused? This could be so easily abused by companies who spend thousands of dollars per month for API costs you could just reverse engineer it and use the subscription tokens to get that down to a few hundred

IDK if Anthropic wants to offer a service at below cost, I don't think they should gate keep which client you access that service over. Or in other terms, I won't use a service that locks me into a client I don't like.

> Or in other terms, I won't use a service that locks me into a client I don't like.

Then don't! Or just use the API which doesn't lock you into any client.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by MeetingsBrowser »

brainless wrote: post #29

I know this will sound strange, but SOTA model companies will eventually allow subscription based usage through third-party tools. For any usage whatsoever. Models are pretty much democratized. I use Claude Code and opencode and I get more work done these days with GLM or Grok Code (using opencode). Z.ai (GLM) subscription is so worth it. Also, mixing models, small and large ones, is the way to go. Different models f…

Wouldn't this mean SOTA model companies are incentivized not to allow subscriptions through third parties?

If all the models are interchangeable at the API layer, wouldn't they be incentivized to add value at the next level up and lock people in there to prevent customers from moving to competitors on a whim.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

#94

Post by oldhead »

planckscnst wrote: post #77
oldhead wrote: post #76

This headline is misleading. EDIT: Or rather was, at it has now been edited to be accurate. You can still bring your own Anthropic API key and use Claude in OpenCode. What you can no longer do is reverse engineer undocumented Anthropic APIs and spoof being a Claude Code client to use an OAuth token from a subscription-based Anthropic account. This really sucks for people who want a thriving competitive market of open…

The API key is not a subscription. The title says subscriptions are blocked from using third-party tools. Or am I misunderstanding?

Headline's been edited since my post. It previously said something along the lines of "Anthropic bans API use in OpenCode CLI"

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by pdntspa »

OGEnthusiast wrote: post #81
gpm wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the value proposition that has people pay Anthropic is that it's the best LLM-coding tool around. When you're competing on "we can ban you from using the model we use with the same rate limits we use" everyone knows you have failed to do so. They might or might not currently have the best coding LLM - but they're admitting that whatever moat they thought they were building with claude code is worthless. The b…

> Because the value proposition that has people pay Anthropic is that it's the best LLM-coding tool around. Why not just use a local LLM instead? That way you don't have to pay anyone.

Because they still suck at real-world software engineering

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by dboon »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #66
dboon wrote: post #15

This is an unusual L for Anthropic. The unfortunate truth is that the engineering in opencode is so far ahead of Claude Code. Obviously, CC is a great tool, but that's more about the magic of the model than the engineering of the CLI. The opencode team[^1][^2] built an entire custom TUI backend that supports a good subset of HTML/CSS and the TypeScript ecosystem (i.e. not tied to Opencode, a generic TUI renderer). Th…

inb4 Anthropic acquires Opencode

I actually wouldn't be that surprised by this. I'd be more surprised at the OC people folding (not the right word, but you get it) on some pretty heavy ambitions in favor of an acquisition.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by potamic »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #42
creativeSlumber wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A Claude Code subscription should not work with other software. why not though? aren't you paying for the model usage regardless of the client you use?

That's not up to you or me. I think it's pretty clear by the phrase "Claude Code subscription" that it's meant for only "Claude Code". Why are you confused? This could be so easily abused by companies who spend thousands of dollars per month for API costs you could just reverse engineer it and use the subscription tokens to get that down to a few hundred

I don't think they are confused. They are simply challenging the assertion that the model should not work with other software. Which is fair because there is a lot of precedent around whether a service can dictate how it must be consumed. It's not a simple answer and there are good reasons for both sides. Whichever path we take will have wide consequences and shape our future in a very distinct way. So it is an important decision, and ultimately up to us, as a society to influence and guide.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by Ycros »

eru wrote: post #91
IgorPartola wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favorite is running CC in a screen session. There if I type out a prompt and then just start holding down the backspace key to delete a bunch of characters, at some point they key press refresh rate outruns CC’s brains and it just starts acting like it moved the cursor but didn’t delete anything. It is an embarrassing bug, but one that I suspect wouldn’t be found in automated testing.

Have you tried tmux?

I use tmux, I have this exact same bug in tmux. It's part of why I use OpenCode and not Claude Code.

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

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Post by pat_erichsen »

This situation feels like a +1 for Agent Client Protocol (ACP) [1].

In ACP, you auth directly to the underlying agent (eg Claude Code SDK) rather than a third-party tool (eg OpenCode) that then calls an inference endpoint on your behalf. If you're logged into Claude Code, you're already logged into Claude Code through any ACP client.

[1] https://agentclientprotocol.com/overview/agents

Re: Anthropic blocks third-party use of Claude Code subscriptions

#100

Post by szundi »

viraptor wrote: post #65

And it already has a workaround. https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/7410#issuecomme... I really don't understand why they thought this is a good idea. I mean I know why they wish to do this, but it's obviously not going to last.

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