According to a community manager. EA is honoring all sales made with the coupon. I was kind of expecting EA to ban some people or revoke access to some games. But I guess they just ended the promotion early. Although EA does seem to be getting some complaints from people who filled out the survey and didn't get to use the coupon.
EA “Gives Away” 1000s Of Free Games Due To No Server-Side Validation
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#92I'd say it worked out pretty well, I'd never heard of EA's Origin service before this article.
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#93According to a community manager. EA is honoring all sales made with the coupon. I was kind of expecting EA to ban some people or revoke access to some games. But I guess they just ended the promotion early. Although EA does seem to be getting some complaints from people who filled out the survey and didn't get to use the coupon. http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/60/9040620.page
That appears to be the case. I've updated the post accordingly.
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#94This is just another sample case demonstrating how otherwise intelligent and competent people really need to be educated about web development security.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that, in that case, Apple will loose a lot of money from the free hardware. In this case, the only real loss for EA is the bandwidth. Since it would be safe to asume that the downloaders wouldn't have bought a lot of games at the current prices.
Sure, but I don't think that's relevant to the discussion. It's hard to quantify, but there is some set of those downloaders who at some point in the future would probably have bought one of the EA titles they received, so there is some actual lost revenue. I suppose that's their lesson for pushing bad code into production. But it shouldn't matter. Real loss isn't necessary for it to be a unethical (or worse, a crime…
The exploiter's gain is greater than EA's loss, especially when you consider that EA desperately wants people to use Origin. That doesn't make it ethical, but I won't shed any tears over it.
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#96i can't believe that they don't know what is server side validation.
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#97i can't believe that they don't know what is server side validation.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes and yes. Valve has been known to remove games from Steam accounts in cases of abuse, e.g. credit-card fraud or stolen license keys.
I've never heard of Valve removing single games from an account before. It's common knowledge though that if you ever do a charge back for a purchased game they shut down your account and it becomes irrecoverable. It's a blanket policy and a reason why I never use Paypal for Steam, use a real or "throw-away" credit card for Steam purchases. Alternatively, you could not buy from Steam at all, I don't anymore but it's…
The only case I know for certain that Valve removed a single game from accounts was the time a large number of Dirt 3 keys were leaked from a graphics card promotion. A friend traded a game for one of the stolen keys, not knowing about the leak. About a day later, the game disappeared from his library with no fanfare. He didn't even get an email from Valve.
I've also heard that Valve will remove games that were acquired through the trade system if the original buyer obtained them fraudulently.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but I don't think that's relevant to the discussion. It's hard to quantify, but there is some set of those downloaders who at some point in the future would probably have bought one of the EA titles they received, so there is some actual lost revenue. I suppose that's their lesson for pushing bad code into production. But it shouldn't matter. Real loss isn't necessary for it to be a unethical (or worse, a crime…
Is it actually true that real loss isn't necessary to be unethical? You couldn't possibly provide an example? I am having trouble imagining such a situation. (I would argue in terms of importance, ethics > crime)
Is it actually true that real loss isn't necessary to be unethical?
Plagiarize a paper in college, you have caused no real loss but still been unethical. Say you knew the topic very well and could have done the work yourself, you just plagiarized because you were lazy to get around the whole you harmed yourself argument.
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Yes this rubs me the wrong way. I think it's analogous to a retail store (say, an Apple store) leaving their front door unlocked overnight. It's possible to go in and take merchandise. After all, it's not your fault they left their front door open. You could even argue that Apple's business practices are morally questionable, so they deserve to be taken advantage of . (I'm not trying to make any statement about Apple…
I think the analogy is wrong. EA didn't lose any physical copies. I think a better analogy would be Chapters/Barnes & Noble (A Book Store) had accidentally put in free to use high quality photocopiers inside their store. The photocopiers were intended to be free to use, but not intended to be used on the books in the store. Your argument isn't morally analogous because theft implies EA were deprived of something (EA…
"Your argument isn't morally analogous because theft implies EA were deprived of something (EA still can sell and play their games), when the issue at hand is the EA botched up controlling access to their product. In your argument, Apple can't sell the stolen merchandise any more."
This whole "if you still have the physical object, you weren't robbed" is a rationilization. If your school decides not to give you a diploma you still have whatever you learned - but now the value of your education in the marketplace has been reduced.
Repeat after me: "Taking something that isn't yours without permission is stealing."