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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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False narrative here. Watch the full length videos. This does not show what happened leading up to the issue. This lady was protesting ICE and physically driving her car into police officers. She refused multiple police orders, then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. She was justifiably shot in self defense.

There is a zoomed in and slowed down video circulating that shows after the driver was told to exit the vehicle that they reversed the vehicle first and then placed the car into drive (when the LEO was directly in front of her car). The driver hit the accelerator hard enough that the tires spun before they finally gained traction and moved the vehicle forward towards the officer. The velocity in which the vehicle beg…

If you watch the close up video from the 7 o’clock angle, you can clearly see that the tires don’t spin out by looking at the speed of the rims. Furthermore, imagine yourself in a situation where an aggressive, masked, armored, and armed person is trying to pull your door open while screaming in your face. You’re in full fight or flight mode, tunnel vision, scared, and confused. At this same time, unbeknownst to the driver, another agent had circled around counterclockwise behind the rear of the vehicle, up the right side in the vehicle’s blind spot, and across the front of the vehicle. Driver is still focused on the other ICE agent trying to yank her door open. Driver decides on the flight option, as obviously fight would be insane, and tries to leave the scene. Driver clearly turns to the right, trying to AVOID the agent that had crept around to the front while her back was turned. The driver isn’t a person with a violent criminal past and felony warrant. There is absolutely no reason for this level of aggression, corralling tactics, or escalation of force. This is not an appropriate way for law enforcement to interact with civilians in any sane society. The shooter immediately draws his weapon at the first sign of vehicle movement, while also placing his body at a 45° angle to the front corner of the vehicle. As the driver attempts to turn away at a relatively slow speed, the shooter brings weapon up, pushing shooting stance forward into the vehicle, even though he has an easy step away from the vehicles path. Even if he did get bumped by the vehicle, by the time the first shot is fired, he’s already positioned to the side of front quarter panel, out of the vehicles path (you can clearly see this not only in the video, but also in photos of the angle and placement of the bullet hole in the windshield). The threat of serious bodily injury or death is literally already passed, yet the shooter fires two more rounds point blank through the driver’s side window. It is after these final two rounds are fired that the vehicle actually accelerates. I speculate that the driver was likely already dead or incapacitated at this point, and lack of motor control caused weight of their leg to push into accelerator. It doesn’t matter if this person was protesting ICE, or blocking traffic. This is not justified self defense (the threat of death or serious bodily injury had already passed), there was no threat to anyone else, and this is not an appropriate way for law enforcement to interact with general civilian population. At a minimum this is a reckless disregard for public safety, manslaughter, and lack of professional discipline.

Edit: bellingcat did a video sketching overhead reenactment of the event. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTPraD7DGZh/

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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post #234

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I think it may be different because firstly it's clearly murder or an unlawful shooting if you watch the video, and secondly because being shot by a masked officer for trying to drive down the road could happen to pretty much any American so I imagine they'll complain. That doesn't apply to the Jan 6th people or Maxwell - it's not part of people's everyday life.

I really hope you are right, but I fear you aren't. The conservative media bubble has already congealed on "She was trying to run over everyone and deserved to be shot". If someone wants to believe that ICE is the good guys and people protesting ICE are bad, they'll be pretty quick to adopt any narrative that will justify the actions of ICE. You can see that in this very thread. This might sway a few people, but I re…

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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> It sounds like he is calling on the National Guard to protect against ICE? Is this the first time a state has done this? I personally think it’s the right move but this is a serious matter to have one law enforcement agency called out to protect against another law enforcement agency. If true, this is a very big deal. It’s to motivate peace and riot control due to the situation. If he had some “knucklehead” notion…

Seems pretty clear to me that state governors need to start cultivating their own State Guards, and by the thousands.

This is something that at least used to exist in recent history.

For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_State_Defense_Fo...

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Lon Horiuchi was charged with sniping an innocent woman holding a baby but I'll admit he wasn't convicted. So it's totally possible the murderer gets locked up for a few years while facing trial and then released. Which would be at least a couple years sentence since murder trials take 1-2 years to prepare and you get basically no compensation for time spent imprisoned awaiting trial.

Again, “murder” is charge that requires conviction. People keep using it here when its not appropriate to do so. I realize they are caught up in the emotion and not viewing things pragmatically. I am trying to provide a window to let people see that this is probably not black and white. I am not claiming that this officer did not cause the death of this woman. I am suggesting that because of LEOs having qualified imm…

No, you do not get to tone police the word "murder" from everyone rightfully outraged with an above-it-all appeal to "impartial" but narrow legal definitions. We all know the legal system has been thoroughly corrupted, and there is the good chance this murderer will not actually be criminally charged and convicted of any types of legally-defined murder. This does not matter - in the eyes of We The People this is fucking Murder.

And the emotion here most certainly matters - this is an American mother, being gunned down in broad daylight, by chickenshit masked gangs who don't have an ounce of respect for the citizens of this country they're claiming to serve. And then an administration and its state media mouthpieces, instead of taking a moment to step back and reevaluate and try to prevent this from happening again, doubles down on nonsense narratives about how this American mother deserved to be summarily executed - full-throated support for the murderer. Anybody with half a brain that isn't caught in an info bubble of reactionary propaganda should be fucking angry.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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The biggest issue with all this is that ICE agents are in fact NOT police officers. As a US citizen you DO NOT have to obey them in the same manner as a police officer and their rights to detain you are limited. Unless they were placing her under arrest she was free to leave and drive on. Most ICE agents lack the same training that your average state police officer would be forced to go through and thus are far more…

According to this NPR article, it currently is legal for ICE to detain you if you are visibly ethnic:

  A federal court agreed, ruling that agents can't rely on factors such as race, speaking Spanish, wearing workman-like clothes, and location [...] to meet the standard of "individualized suspicion."

  But in September, the Supreme Court paused that previous ruling, saying immigration agents can use those factors as reasonable suspicion to stop someone. (Legal proceedings continue on this case, however.)
https://npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5517998/ice-arrest-rules-ex...

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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post #262

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Not a lawyer, but I've been thinking a lot about under which conditions stand your ground laws might apply to people defending themselves against law enforcement officers. The power balance is still such that most people won't shoot at a police (or ICE) officer, so I don't think it's likely to happen, but there is already legal precedent[1] regarding it. [1] https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground…

As I understand it, ICE agents have no powers to stop or arrest U.S. citizens, so it does seem odd how much they are allowed to hurt and kill.

If nobody is enforcing the law, then they have the power to do whatever the administration is allowing them to do, and at this point, that seems to include everything up to and including murder.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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post #17

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> The video shows the ICE agent just straight up killing her unprovoked, against the narrative they're currently trying to setup that she was a terrorist Don't try to bend the facts while there's literal video of the confrontation, as you yourself noted. She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle (My speculation: to be arrested) and refused to do so while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer stand…

> She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle by ICE? they have no authority to detain or arrest US citizens.

If nobody is going to enforce limits, then they have the authority to do whatever they want.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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post #35

@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.

There's stories right now on the front page that have fewer upvotes and were posted before this one. At this point, it is getting increasingly harder to argue that HN isn't completely biased.

Biased by thin-skinned low-skilled first worlders who bristle at having to be an adult.

To dang and the SV/VC world, everything should work like it does in Mr Rogers ... they can stare at their computer and live in the land of the make believe it affords them.

GenX and Millennials are just as ignorant and self-absorbed as Boomers. America is a shit hole country of adults with the emotions of middle schoolers.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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If you want to play lawyer, that's great but everyone just watched an execution of a mother in broad daylight. I think most reasonable people would agree that this is over the top especially because they made it extremely hard to render aid after it happened. Not to mention the various training documents that say not to do what this ICE agent did: stand in front of a car then incapacitate the driver. It's not just "p…

Everyone also saw a car move forward directly towards a person before his weapon was even drawn. If he did not follow procedure that will be accounted for in the investigation. I am sure that question will hinge on whether or not from all the angles and prior to the vehicle moving if the officer was in a position that was against procedure. They state can certainly try and bring charges if it wants to, but that doesn…

> Everyone also saw a car move forward directly towards a person

The horror! That was more scary than imagining a woman with three bullet holes in her head.

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