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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5A12Z3kaxI Look at the comment section. Are they all bots? Maybe they are, but if they aren't, trying anything would be a suicide. You would just be labelled a terrorist, and no one would support you.

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At what point do U.S. citizens realise that ICE is in fact a terrorist organisation?

Not a lawyer, but I've been thinking a lot about under which conditions stand your ground laws might apply to people defending themselves against law enforcement officers. The power balance is still such that most people won't shoot at a police (or ICE) officer, so I don't think it's likely to happen, but there is already legal precedent[1] regarding it.

[1] https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground-...

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If you watch the slow-mo versions of the video people have posted you can see the ICE agent in question actually fired his weapon when his arm was fully extended away from his body still in front of vehicle as he had moved his body out of the impact zone of the front of her car. That's a terrible way to discharge a weapon even if you think you life is in danger. Seems far more likely it was a panic shot out of fear h…

how about the two more bullets he pumped through the side window? more panic shots? stop justifying this guys murder

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This was after the alleged attempted ICE ramming in Oakland last year where shots were fired but thankfully nobody died. I think there was a similar incident in LA. It would be great if there were technology to solve this problem. People perceive cars as deadly weapons and open fire and whether it’s good or not people who think they’re going to get smooshed and have a firearm will tend to use it. I didn’t see the one…

if some one is right in front of me pointing a gun, i'd like to drive actually, not the opposite

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de jure illegal but unenforced is de facto legal. de jure legal but enforced is de facto illegal.

Which is why de facto legality is very low value discussion fodder in an environment of rampant unenforcement of laws.

Quite the contrary, in such an environment it is even more important to figure out what is de facto legal because you cannot count on reading the law to determine such.

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The comment section here is an incredibly disturbing read, as to how many people are trying to justify this on-site extra-judicial execution. Let me start by saying that all this debate itself is meaningless to start with. No police or law and order agency is supposed to execute a civilian under these circumstances in any country. That should instantly be taken as a murder by an official empowered to prevent exactly…

I cannot agree more. It is really depressing and terrific reading so many people justifying all these violent acts. Is is inconceivable how we have come to normalize repression and violence against others.

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The things you talk of are either legal such as insulting people, or failed such as riots trying to overturn an election. This is different.

Lots of convicted criminals were pardoned already. People with connection to January 6 United States Capitol attack are all pardoned, some got promoted. There's something going on with Ghislaine Maxwell's situation too. US just abducted the president of a sovereign country and international law no longer means anything too. The president himself is also a convict. He is also implicated with many sexual assaults(alleg…

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My line is probably somewhere around “canceled elections”. And I’m okay with Palantir knowing that.

It’s far too late by that point

Well then it’s far too late now. At the end of the day I blame the spineless democrats for not throwing his ass in jail back in 2021.

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post #262

At what point do U.S. citizens realise that ICE is in fact a terrorist organisation?

Not a lawyer, but I've been thinking a lot about under which conditions stand your ground laws might apply to people defending themselves against law enforcement officers. The power balance is still such that most people won't shoot at a police (or ICE) officer, so I don't think it's likely to happen, but there is already legal precedent[1] regarding it. [1] https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground…

As I understand it, ICE agents have no powers to stop or arrest U.S. citizens, so it does seem odd how much they are allowed to hurt and kill.

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I’m not seeing this discussed very much but Minnesota governor Tim Walz has issued an order to prepare the state’s National Guard: > “To Minnesotans, on the National Guard, they’re there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights,” Walz said. “These are our neighbors. They don’t wear masks. They don’t bust in from somewhere else. They’re not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy.”…

absolutely the right move to defend the people

sad that this is a controversial opinion
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