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Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by lm28469 »

drusepth wrote: post #177
hermanzegerman wrote: post #158

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> if I wasn't asking ChatGPT, where would I go to get help? To an MD?

This isn't feasible for a huge swathe of the USA, often because of costs/insurance but sometimes literally just accessibility/availability. A few years ago it took me nearly 8 months to find a PCP in my city that was accepting new patients (and, wee, they dropped my insurance less than a year after).

> often because of costs/insurance but sometimes literally just accessibility/availability.

These are self inflicted problems, we should work on these and improve them, not give up and rely on llms for everything

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Post by yurishimo »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #322
mangamadaiyan wrote: post #258

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Something to think about: perhaps the problem is with the duration of the appointment, and the difficulty of getting one in the first place? Elsewhere in the world, doctors can and do spend more than 12 minutes figuring out what's wrong with their patients. It's the healthcare system that's broken, and it _can_ be fixed without resorting to chatgpt. That it won't is the reality, though

GP sessions being around 20 minutes is pretty standard in North American and European countries. You can't have standard hour-long GP sessions, as it'd become impossible to make a timely appointment, no matter which system.

Can confirm having experienced both the USA and Dutch systems now. In both countries is my visit only about 20 minutes + another 15-30 sitting in the lobby because they doctor is always running behind schedule.

In theory, the Dutch system will take care of your more quickly for "real" emergencies as their "urgent care" (spoedpost) is heavily gate kept and you can only walk in to a hospital if you're in the middle of a crisis. I tried to walk into the ER once because I needed an inhaler and they told me to call the call the hotline for the urgent care... this was a couple of months after I moved.

That said, I much prefer paying €1800/year in premiums with a €450 deductible compared to the absolute shitshow that is healthcare in the USA. Now that I've figured out how to operate within the system, it's not so bad. But when you're in the middle of a health crisis, it can be very disorienting to try and figure out how it all works.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by iLoveOncall »

Since there are a lot of positive comments at the top (not surprising given the astroturfing on HN), please watch this video from ChubbyEmu, a real doctor, about a case study from someone who self-diagnosed using AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yftBiNu0ZNU

For every positive experience there are many more that are negative, if not life threatening or simply deadly.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by rainonmoon »

simianwords wrote: post #272
nprateem wrote: post #243

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How do you think insurance premiums are calculated?

How are they calculated? Based on what data? Your google searches? If they don't use goolge search history, why would they use chatgpt history?

Yeah man, when would technology ever be abused to monitor health data. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/period-tracking-apps-ou...

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by yurishimo »

lm28469 wrote: post #330
paulgrimes1 wrote: post #41

Here’s something: my chatGPT quietly assumed I had ADHD for around 9 months, up until October 2025. I don’t suffer from ADHD. I only found out through an answer that began “As you have ADHD..” I had it stop right there, and asked it to tell me exactly where it got this information; the date, the title of the chat, the exact moment it took this data on as an attribute of mine. It was unable to specify any of it, aside…

I wouldn't be surprised it's because people self diagnose and talk about their """adhd""" all the time on reddit &co. where chatgpt was trained a lot.

Do you think the majority of those people are lying or do you think it's possible that our pursuit of algorithmic consumption is actually rewiring our neural pathways into something that looks/behaves more like ADHD?

Personally, I'm on the fence. I suspect that I've always had a bit of that, but anecdotally, it does seem to have gotten worse in the past decade, but perhaps it's just a symptom of old age (31 hehehe).

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by rainonmoon »

jofzar wrote: post #118
timeon wrote: post #117

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> if I wasn't asking ChatGPT, where would I go to get help? Is this serious question? Can't you call/visit doctor?

I'm Australian, but from what I understand from my friends in America, no. They only go when it's urgent/very worrying.

I'm also Australian and some of these comments have really made me re-appreciate what we have in Medicare. Damn, it's got its issues, but the American attitudes towards their healthcare system are downright bleak. Deeply worrying that the prevailing attitude seems to be "But ChatGPT is so good" rather than "Our healthcare system is so bad." Remind me to visit my GP next week to thank them.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by energy123 »

Doctors should be expected to use these tools as part of general competency. Someone I knew had herpes zoster on her face and the doctor had no idea and gave her diabetic medication. A five second inference with Gemini by me, uploading the picture only (after disabling apps activity to protect her privacy), and it said what it was. It's deplorable. And there's no way for this doctor to lose their job. They can keep being worse than Gemini Flash and making money.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by akoboldfrying »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #333

Since there are a lot of positive comments at the top (not surprising given the astroturfing on HN), please watch this video from ChubbyEmu, a real doctor, about a case study from someone who self-diagnosed using AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yftBiNu0ZNU For every positive experience there are many more that are negative, if not life threatening or simply deadly.

> For every positive experience there are many more that are negative

On what basis do you make this assertion?

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by Fnoord »

nomel wrote: post #277
mlmonkey wrote: post #156

My uncle had an issue with his balance and slurred speech. Doctors claimed dementia and sent him home. It kept becoming worse and worse. Then one day I entered the symptoms in ChatGPT (or was it Gemini?) and asked it for the top 3 hypotheses. The first one was related to dementia. The second was something else (I forget the long name). I took all 3 to his primary care doc who had kept ignoring the problem, and asked…

General doctors aren't trained for problem solving, they're trained for memorization. The doctors that are good at problem solving aren't general doctors.

My current one sure as hell is.

My previous one was, too.

The one I had as kid, well. He was old, stuck in old ways, but I still think he was decent at it.

But seeing the doctor is a bit more difficult these days, since the assistants are backstopping. They do some heavy lifting / screening.

I think an LLM could help with symptoms and then looking at the most probable cause, but either way I wouldn't take it too serious. And that is the general issue with ML: people take the output too serious, at face value. What matters is: what are the cited sources?

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by lm28469 »

yurishimo wrote: post #335
lm28469 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised it's because people self diagnose and talk about their """adhd""" all the time on reddit &co. where chatgpt was trained a lot.

Do you think the majority of those people are lying or do you think it's possible that our pursuit of algorithmic consumption is actually rewiring our neural pathways into something that looks/behaves more like ADHD? Personally, I'm on the fence. I suspect that I've always had a bit of that, but anecdotally, it does seem to have gotten worse in the past decade, but perhaps it's just a symptom of old age (31 hehehe).

Probably a bit of both, it's trendy do have a quirk, and modern life fucks up your attention span. Everyone wants to put a label on everything, remember when facebook had a dropdown of like 60+ genders? I also know people who talk about "being on the spectrum" all the time, at first I thought it was a meme, but they genuinely believe they're autistic because they're #notliketheothers. At the end of the day everything is a spectrum and nobody is normal, I'm not sure it's healthy to want to put a label on everything or medicate to fall back on the baseline.
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