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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by tencentshill »

silexia wrote: post #98
baubino wrote: post #78

I’m not seeing this discussed very much but Minnesota governor Tim Walz has issued an order to prepare the state’s National Guard: > “To Minnesotans, on the National Guard, they’re there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights,” Walz said. “These are our neighbors. They don’t wear masks. They don’t bust in from somewhere else. They’re not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy.”…

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>massive fraud that he personally benefitted from

That is an extraordinary claim. You must have extraordinary evidence. Good work uncovering that! I'm sure the FBI would love to hear about it and arrest him alongside the 80 other convicted fraudsters.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by water-data-dude »

i_cannot_hack wrote: post #100
water-data-dude wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that I, and many others, have issue with is the fact that the agents are masked, which makes it hard to hold specific actors accountable. With the way they've been deploying facial recognition against citizens, I feel like using it against ICE agents would just be sousveillance. Especially with the second video, it seems like there should be enough footage of the guy's face to figure it out. Ideally her rel…

> Ideally her relatives could then SUE Ideally a lawsuit? The only sane outcome of this in a civilized society is that the perpetrator stands trial for murder. If that does not happen the already slim distinction between US law enforcement and a paramilitary execution squad loyal to the president will have dissappeared entirely.

Oh yeah, absolutely! I should have said that instead, but I'm so pessimistic about the courts charging LEOs with crimes that I kinda just skipped that option by default

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by TheAlchemist »

zug_zug wrote: post #35

@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.

Because news shouldn't be what is on the front page on HN, and I generally agree.

However, we're not living in normal times. US is speed running the book to become a dictatorship, or probably worse. And it's in no small part thanks to the tech community, which HN is all about.

Recent story about how Grok is used to produce naked pictures of any women or girl, including young kids, was killed very quickly on HN. I feel like a lot of people working in tech should take a good look in the mirror.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by lamontcg »

silexia wrote: post #95
eleventen wrote: post #32

There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turn…

False narrative here. Watch the full length videos. This does not show what happened leading up to the issue. This lady was protesting ICE and physically driving her car into police officers. She refused multiple police orders, then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. She was justifiably shot in self defense.

> then attempted to murder a police officer with her car.

This is just false information. He was off to the left of her hood, and her wheels were hard to the right. He wasn't in front of her vehicle, she wasn't driving towards him, and she wasn't trying to murder anyone.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by robhlt »

silexia wrote: post #95
eleventen wrote: post #32

There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turn…

False narrative here. Watch the full length videos. This does not show what happened leading up to the issue. This lady was protesting ICE and physically driving her car into police officers. She refused multiple police orders, then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. She was justifiably shot in self defense.

Shooting the driver of a car that's driving at you is not self defense. Cars don't instantly stop if the driver is incapacitated. You'll likely make the situation even worse because the incapacitated driver's foot will press the accelerator down (exactly what happened here). If your actual intent is to defend yourself the only move that makes any sense is to get out of the way.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by silexia »

lamontcg wrote: post #105
silexia wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

False narrative here. Watch the full length videos. This does not show what happened leading up to the issue. This lady was protesting ICE and physically driving her car into police officers. She refused multiple police orders, then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. She was justifiably shot in self defense.

> then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. This is just false information. He was off to the left of her hood, and her wheels were hard to the right. He wasn't in front of her vehicle, she wasn't driving towards him, and she wasn't trying to murder anyone.

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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by lamontcg »

MC995 wrote: post #17
fzeroracer wrote: post #2

There's currently video circulating of the incident so be aware on social media. Here's the facts as I currently know: * The woman shot and killed was a bystander, an American citizen * The video shows the ICE agent just straight up killing her unprovoked, against the narrative they're currently trying to setup that she was a terrorist

> The video shows the ICE agent just straight up killing her unprovoked, against the narrative they're currently trying to setup that she was a terrorist Don't try to bend the facts while there's literal video of the confrontation, as you yourself noted. She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle (My speculation: to be arrested) and refused to do so while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer stand…

> She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle

She was given conflicting order by different officers. One order to drive on, one order to step out of her vehicle.

Which is standard cop practice to just yell conflicting orders out and then wind up killing someone for not complying with one of them.

> and refused to do so while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer standing in front of her vehicle.

Cop was off to the left of her hood, and she had her wheels hard to the right and drove around him. She wasn't aimed at him. He wasn't in danger.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by jadamson »

silexia wrote: post #107
lamontcg wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> then attempted to murder a police officer with her car. This is just false information. He was off to the left of her hood, and her wheels were hard to the right. He wasn't in front of her vehicle, she wasn't driving towards him, and she wasn't trying to murder anyone.

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> Can you see which way a vehicles wheels are pointed when you are standing right in front of it?

You're moving the goalposts. You said she tried to murder him, she clearly did not. What the officer perceived is another matter.

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