Earlier quoted context omitted.
The scariest thing to me is that you can see which folks are either all in on the regime or working overtime to push out propaganda. Because we have video of the incident from multiple angles and the context really is just that an ICE agent outright murdered someone.
I mean, the comment above is now flagged and dead . Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment solely for giving their opinion on the state of their own country? EDIT: And [dead] removed now. Fascinating. I checked the unofficial guide on GitHub again to confirm my understanding: https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggi... > A [dead] submission (that does not also show [flagged]) is kille…
Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.
ICE has no legal ability to detain or arrest citizens or enforce traffic laws. So, regardless, they should have called the police.
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#73@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.
Umm... flagging issue aside, this story is currently at the top of CNN, NBC, ABC, BBC, and Google News, as I just checked. What part of information do we rely on HN regarding this story?
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
ICE has no legal ability to detain or arrest citizens or enforce traffic laws. So, regardless, they should have called the police.
I'm not debating that. I'm just wondering if anyone has seen vid from the lead-up so I can see for myself.
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#75There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turn…
Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#76@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.
1) Use https://news.ycombinator.com/active , where demotions aren’t applied (at least that’s my understanding). The submission is currently on the front page there. 2) For contacting dang, email hn@ycombinator.com. “@dang” doesn’t do anything.
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.
Even if she had been illegally blockading traffic for hours, that infraction is not legally punishable by execution.
When he was prosecuted, the feds played jurisdiction games fucking with the case until the case was so cold it was difficult to prosecute.
The U.S. Attorney filed a notice of removal of the case to federal court, which automatically took effect under the statute for removal jurisdiction[11] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.[6]
The decision to dismiss the charges was reversed by an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit, which held that enough uncertainty about the facts of the case existed for Horiuchi to stand trial on state manslaughter charges.[6] Ultimately, the then-sitting Boundary County prosecutor, Brett Benson, who had defeated Woodbury in the 2000 election, decided to drop the charges, because he felt it was unlikely the state could prove the case and too much time had passed.Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#78> “To Minnesotans, on the National Guard, they’re there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights,” Walz said. “These are our neighbors. They don’t wear masks. They don’t bust in from somewhere else. They’re not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy.”
It sounds like he is calling on the National Guard to protect against ICE? Is this the first time a state has done this? I personally think it’s the right move but this is a serious matter to have one law enforcement agency called out to protect against another law enforcement agency. If true, this is a very big deal.
edit: More about Walz’s statement:
> In addition to readying the state’s National Guard, the governor said the State Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is investigating the incident, where masked agents were recorded approaching a vehicle in the middle of a Minneapolis street and an agent then fired shots into the car after it accelerated. Walz also said he activated the State Emergency Operation Center and members of the State Patrol’s Mobile Response Team.
> “From here on, I have a very simple message: We do not need any further help from the federal government,” Walz said. “To Donald Trump and [Homeland Security Secretary] Kristi Noem, you’ve done enough.”
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5677541-walz-minnes...
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#79I’m not seeing this discussed very much but Minnesota governor Tim Walz has issued an order to prepare the state’s National Guard: > “To Minnesotans, on the National Guard, they’re there to protect you and protect your constitutional rights,” Walz said. “These are our neighbors. They don’t wear masks. They don’t bust in from somewhere else. They’re not here to cause hassles to you or what we saw today, the tragedy.”…
It's just better politically to say "to stop ICE" rather than say "shit's looking like it could pop off and I need to be prepared either way."
Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
The scariest thing to me is that you can see which folks are either all in on the regime or working overtime to push out propaganda. Because we have video of the incident from multiple angles and the context really is just that an ICE agent outright murdered someone.
I mean, the comment above is now flagged and dead . Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment solely for giving their opinion on the state of their own country? EDIT: And [dead] removed now. Fascinating. I checked the unofficial guide on GitHub again to confirm my understanding: https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggi... > A [dead] submission (that does not also show [flagged]) is kille…