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Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

Jtsummers wrote: post #42
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, the comment above is now flagged and dead . Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment solely for giving their opinion on the state of their own country? EDIT: And [dead] removed now. Fascinating. I checked the unofficial guide on GitHub again to confirm my understanding: https://github.com/minimaxir/hacker-news-undocumented#flaggi... > A [dead] submission (that does not also show [flagged]) is kille…

> the comment above is now flagged and dead. Doesn't that mean the mods killed someone's comment No, it doesn't mean that. [flagged] is by users, not mods. [flagged][dead] means enough users have flagged it to kill it. [dead] alone is the result of moderator action (manual or automatic).

Thanks! That old thing must be outdated.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by blibble »

awnird wrote: post #45
zug_zug wrote: post #35

@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.

[flagged]

those with absolutely no ethics I suppose look at IBM in the 1930s/40s as a prime example of how to make bank out of this sort of situation

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by zingababba »

eleventen wrote: post #32

There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turn…

Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by anigbrowl »

MC995 wrote: post #17
fzeroracer wrote: post #2

There's currently video circulating of the incident so be aware on social media. Here's the facts as I currently know: * The woman shot and killed was a bystander, an American citizen * The video shows the ICE agent just straight up killing her unprovoked, against the narrative they're currently trying to setup that she was a terrorist

> The video shows the ICE agent just straight up killing her unprovoked, against the narrative they're currently trying to setup that she was a terrorist Don't try to bend the facts while there's literal video of the confrontation, as you yourself noted. She was being commanded to step out of the vehicle (My speculation: to be arrested) and refused to do so while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer stand…

while accelerating the vehicle quickly with an officer standing in front of her vehicle

This is false. He started drawing his gun while she was still in reverse (to turn and drive away) and was not 'in front of the vehicle' but approaching the front left of the vehicle. Nor was she 'accelerating the vehicle quickly.' You are simply being untruthful.

Frankly, with multiple masked goons pulling weapons approaching, any evasive/defensive maneuvers would have been fully justified.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

zingababba wrote: post #53
eleventen wrote: post #32

There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turn…

Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.

ICE has no legal ability to detain or arrest citizens or enforce traffic laws. So, regardless, they should have called the police.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by culi »

blibble wrote: post #52
awnird wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

those with absolutely no ethics I suppose look at IBM in the 1930s/40s as a prime example of how to make bank out of this sort of situation

Could you expand on what you're saying or link to relevant readings?

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by anigbrowl »

goatlover wrote: post #43
belter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

77 million voted for this.

I don't think all 77 million voted for ICE agents to murder citizens. There is quite a bit of buyer's remorse now.

Most of them did. They knew what they were getting after Trumps' first term and voted for more of it.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by mickle00 »

DustinEchoes wrote: post #24
hypeatei wrote: post #18

DHS secretary is calling this "domestic terrorism"... unbelievable. Everyone in the administration needs to be put on trial just like the Nazis in Nuremburg. Also remember the rights reaction to Babbit (an insurrectionist) being shot at the J6 riot. She was a patriot hero for delaying election certification but people resisting ICE goons are domestic terrorists.

> DHS secretary is calling this "domestic terrorism" I agree, probably not in the way she intended though.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cpac-banner-domestic-terro...

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by anigbrowl »

awnird wrote: post #45
zug_zug wrote: post #35

@dang I don’t know if this is a bug… but how is this not on the front pages? (I checked 2. 74 upvotes / 34 comments 2h old) This is the type of thing that I sort of rely on HN to inform me about. Then other articles are seemingly killed as dupe which I guess would make sense if the original was visible.

[flagged]

I don't know that pg is involved with HN on a daily basis any more, but he's been publicly condemning this and arguing with people who support the ICE agent.

Re: Minneapolis driver shot and killed by ICE

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Post by eleventen »

zingababba wrote: post #53
eleventen wrote: post #32

There are at least 3 different videos from different angles. Here are all of them. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Gb_IkGVK7WvsTAXfMvQU... I've watched them all repeatedly. It's clear she was blocked in at the front, trying to pull out, and yielded, waving the ICE vehicles to go around front. They instead got out, needlessly attempted to drag her from her vehicle, and she freaked out and tried to GTFO by turn…

Has anyone seen vid of the lead-up? Everything I've seen is clipped to several seconds before the shots are fired. It doesn't justify the outcome but one of the narratives I've seen is she had been blocking the agents for some time.

She wasn't blocking at all. Please watch the video. In one of them a car passes in front of her without trouble. It's a 2 lane 1 way road, she's only in 1 lane.
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