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Re: Game Over

#11

Post by eykanal »

I have no idea who you are or what you do, so this comment includes a certain naïveté. That being said, turning off comments doesn't accomplish anything. As you see here, your article was posted, and there are comments, and you're reading them, and you have no control over them. People will have opinions and that has nothing to do with you.

The article itself-—as with any article that discusses sexism--was guaranteed to be controversial from the get-go, given its topic. Given that you seem to be somewhat popular, a controversial post from a popular person will elicit all types of discussion, including lots of flaming. I'm not sure why this surprises you, or why you are responding so strongly, but I would definitely encourage you to reconsider; I love interacting with people whose articles I read frequently, and I imagine the same is true in your case with your audience.

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#12

Post by recuter »

The medium is not the message.

With that being said, antirez, it seems that your experience got too noisy and counterproductive and it makes a lot of sense to disengage a bit. You're missing out on very little.

Also, thank you for your work.

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#13

Post by mikescar »

silentmars wrote: post #6

Is there a link to the thing that happened to set off this post? I read the previous post and its comments and saw nothing out of the ordinary.

https://twitter.com/antirez

"People should stop writing articles about sexism in tech. It's not interesting and IMHO it's not the central problem for most women in tech."

Edit: Oops, left out the blog post: http://antirez.com/post/different-take-sexism-it.html

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#14

Post by waratuman »

It is a shame to see such hate against people. @antirez was attacked for openly sharing his thoughts about sexism. The sad part is that those who attacked him seek respect for their points of view yet do not give it to others.

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#15

Post by mst »

antirez wrote: post #9
silentmars wrote: post #6

Is there a link to the thing that happened to set off this post? I read the previous post and its comments and saw nothing out of the ordinary.

long story short, a blog post about sexism I wrote generated a reply that remembered me that I was probably not in a communication environment I was happy to be in... so I'm finding new ways to communicate that don't involve tweets.

I tend to treat twitter as a broadcast platform and largely ignore the replies anyway - but I certainly won't discuss sexism on there. It's ... far too easy for topics like that to generate a flash mob; if you don't find "ignore it" to be an acceptable response then leaving seems fair enough - but I'd recommend to anybody on twitter to ignore any replies to controversial statements in any case.

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#16

Post by tomasien »

antirez wrote: post #3
tomasien wrote: post #2

While I agree that vitriol isn't the best response to someone displaying a lack of understanding, as you did, I hope you don't get defensive and instead try to learn something from the people who made reasonable critiques of your thoughts. Because they need some adjusting.

Hint: you are saying that my thoughts need to be "adjusted".

(edited because it was in the wrong place in the conversation)

Your thoughts about sexism, at least how to express them? Absolutely. I don't want to diminish you or your ability to assess a complex system, but it seemed to me (and a lot of other people) that you expressed a great deal of ignorance and a lot of classic misguided assumptions based on limited and biased personal anecdotal experience. But if you don't agree after considering that, then that is just that. I only urge you to take this opportunity to do some thinking. Isn't that why you put your thoughts out publicly in the first place?

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#17

Post by tomelders »

antirez wrote: post #9
silentmars wrote: post #6

Is there a link to the thing that happened to set off this post? I read the previous post and its comments and saw nothing out of the ordinary.

long story short, a blog post about sexism I wrote generated a reply that remembered me that I was probably not in a communication environment I was happy to be in... so I'm finding new ways to communicate that don't involve tweets.

You were right though. It seems wrong to me that you should be silenced by the tyrannical ramblings of the brain dead mob.

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#18

Post by leephillips »

antirez wrote: post #9
silentmars wrote: post #6

Is there a link to the thing that happened to set off this post? I read the previous post and its comments and saw nothing out of the ordinary.

long story short, a blog post about sexism I wrote generated a reply that remembered me that I was probably not in a communication environment I was happy to be in... so I'm finding new ways to communicate that don't involve tweets.

"I'm finding new ways to communicate that don't involve tweets."

They are likely to be old ways (compared with Twitter). You've hinted already on your website, if I understood correctly, about the ideal form of communication on the web. If people want to comment on one of your articles they should write one of their own, giving themselves the time and space to construct something worth reading.

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#19

Post by iamdave »

tomasien wrote: post #16
antirez wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hint: you are saying that my thoughts need to be "adjusted".

(edited because it was in the wrong place in the conversation) Your thoughts about sexism, at least how to express them? Absolutely. I don't want to diminish you or your ability to assess a complex system, but it seemed to me (and a lot of other people) that you expressed a great deal of ignorance and a lot of classic misguided assumptions based on limited and biased personal anecdotal experience. But if you don't ag…

based on limited and biased personal anecdotal experience.

It's not as he presented his case as stone-cold fact and call me crazy, but aren't personal anecdotal experiences exactly the things that give birth to opinion?

Since when did sharing a belief/stance/daring to opine on something demand anything other than anecdote? I don't like that thought pattern at all.

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#20

Post by ahelwer »

blackhole wrote: post #8

Some people are going to say that he was in the right, and some will argue this is a consequence of being wrong, but this doesn't matter. What this illustrates is the dangerous precipice that the world of blogging is hanging on to, where the violent hatred that spews forth when anyone writes a remotely controversial opinion threatens to silence any opinion that sways too far from mainstream consciousness. The fact th…

I see this from a different perspective. We are finally getting to the point where a critical mass of people are not going to tolerate sexist misinformed crap as they encounter it, and will instead speak out en masse.

The blog post on sexism wasn't a "controversial opinion." The author wasn't bravely standing up to the mainstream. It was just his crappy opinion that tech needs to continue to try very hard to move past.

Most importantly, his opinion was NOT silenced. Why do people in this arena of conversation seem to consistently misinterpret the meaning of free speech? He espoused his opinion, and then a whole bunch of other people espoused theirs. Nobody was silenced. Quite the opposite, actually.

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