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Suddenly everyone wants New Yorker style content. Who is going to write it?

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Re: Suddenly everyone wants New Yorker style content. Who is going to write it?

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Who's going to write it? How about the writers for The Atlantic , The Nation , The New Republic , The Wilson Quarterly , The Economist , The Paris Review , etc. I could fill up the length of a long-form article with names of publications that have long-form writing. The real question is, who's going to pay for it? This is like when someone complains that there aren't any good programmers out there, and, P.S., they're…

Look at BuzzFeed and the Huffington Post's strategies (at least for reporters and news, not for the entertainment parts of their site). They quickly managed to establish themselves by luring big names who people would want to read. It's probably near-impossible to quickly do the reverse.

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The Internet is still a leveling bitch on dysfunctional industries. This is hardly a free-for-all; readers will only read long form content, if it’s excellent. I think the major change with the advent the internet is that since one can publish so easily, one cannot count on the presence of an editor to help with things like eliminating stray commas which alter the meaning of one's sentences.

Yeah it's a stray comma but it doesn't alter the meaning of the sentence at all. What am I missing?

The grammar Nazi's misuse of "which" in its failed attempt to insult you.

Re: Suddenly everyone wants New Yorker style content. Who is going to write it?

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The Internet is still a leveling bitch on dysfunctional industries. This is hardly a free-for-all; readers will only read long form content, if it’s excellent. I think the major change with the advent the internet is that since one can publish so easily, one cannot count on the presence of an editor to help with things like eliminating stray commas which alter the meaning of one's sentences.

Isn't that a job for a copy editor? A nice thing to have a but a good regular editor is more important.

But I did wonder while reading the piece what Pando Daily's editorial setup is like. Does it bear any resemblance to the process she went through earlier in her career?

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post #16

Who's going to write it? How about the writers for The Atlantic , The Nation , The New Republic , The Wilson Quarterly , The Economist , The Paris Review , etc. I could fill up the length of a long-form article with names of publications that have long-form writing. The real question is, who's going to pay for it? This is like when someone complains that there aren't any good programmers out there, and, P.S., they're…

ProPublica are also completely overlooked, even though they do some of the most important reporting out there.

It doesn't help that their web design is horrible.

Re: Suddenly everyone wants New Yorker style content. Who is going to write it?

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The Internet is still a leveling bitch on dysfunctional industries. This is hardly a free-for-all; readers will only read long form content, if it’s excellent. I think the major change with the advent the internet is that since one can publish so easily, one cannot count on the presence of an editor to help with things like eliminating stray commas which alter the meaning of one's sentences.

Yeah it's a stray comma but it doesn't alter the meaning of the sentence at all. What am I missing?

With the comma, the phrase is equivalent to:

"... readers will only read long-form content, and that only if it is excellent."

(Forgive me if my usage of that is no longer current. It has been quite a while since I've spent an extended period of time with current formal writing.) The intended meaning was probably something like this:

"... readers will only put the effort into reading long-form content if it is excellent."

Re: Suddenly everyone wants New Yorker style content. Who is going to write it?

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This is a strange article. I say strange because Sarah Lacy hasn't seem to look into what "New Yorker style" prose / stories look or feel like. The New Yorker is not only a publisher of journalism. It also does short stories, serializations, and I generally consider it an incubator of literary thoughts, methods, and practices the way YCombinator is an incubator of entrepreneurship.

Just look at the list of authors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_Yorker_contribu...

Raymond Carver, JD Salinger, Alice Munroe, Vladimir Nabokov, VS Naipaul, Dorothy Parker, Philip Roth among others.

I don't know if Sarah has looked through the some New Yorker Magazines and actually read the stories.

Who's going to found those startups that YCombinator is looking for? Those dedicated, driven, individuals and teams with a single-minded focus to creating a service, a company, a product that people will pay for.

Who's going to write New Yorker style stories? Those driven, single-minded, not-immediate-money-driven and creative individuals and teams (writer/editor teams, etc) who will do whatever it takes to push forward the written form.

But of course, writing the truth never bought anyone any favours with advertisers.

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Funny. For the past few years, I've been an avid evangelist of the articles written by both New Yorker and Vanity Fair (I'm not seeing any references to this one in the article or here in the comments. Don't balk at the name or genre, they have some of the very best feature articles on the most random topics that I have ever come across). People called me crazy.

The Economist has been mentioned here in the comments, but while good, it does not compare in terms of length and sheer quality to the offerings by these two. Apples and oranges, really.

Re: Suddenly everyone wants New Yorker style content. Who is going to write it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, 4 cents/word (what Tumblr is paying) is a joke. Claiming there's a shortage of writers is ridiculous. There's lot of good writers out there.

Now that I've actually finished the article (heh), I think it's asking a very good question. What she's really saying is: 1) Readers want good long-form articles 2) Some sites are even willing to pay for it 3) But, there are no longer up-and-comers being trained to produce such work, there are only the writers who already have the experience. What she's saying is not all that different from the complaint you see abou…

This is the wrong approach. You don't train someone to produce such works.

These types of proses are more like a personal distillation of experiences. You can take a handful of olympic athletes, pair them up with a great editor and writer team, and come up with a great story about what happened at the london olympics. That would be a cover worthy story.

It's not about training writers who can churn out articles. It's about understanding that writing itself is an art, not something that can be trained, but something that needs to be invented.

Put it in terms that people on hacker news would probably understand - Writing a major New Yorker cover story is like finding the topic, writing, and then defending a PhD thesis. You have to come up with an original thought, support it with research and original experimentation, distill it down, test your hypothesis, and see if your thesis is still solid. After rounds and rounds of editing, repositioning, rewriting, and PIVOTING, you come out with a kernel of an article - the amount of words written would be approx 10 - 20 times the amount of text that would actually be published. The rest would be research material and stuff "left on the editing table".

You can't train that. Successful authors understand this - all of their advice to young writers would include something like - "only you know what kind of story you want to write" - "keep practicing" "keep writing every day".

There is no handbook to learn, no school to go to.

Journalism school gives you a template of what other people have done, but at the same time, I consider it a waste of time for writers. Just go out there experience the world, talk to as many people as you can, and write seriously every single day. You'll come out the other side with a comparable set of skills as someone who went to school for journalism.

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So what is the right approach? For me, it would be encouragement - start young - get education right. Bring up childhood and adult literacy, give people the ability to think and reason. Increase funding to schools and give teachers a better deal.

You'll find more and more kids wanting to write, keep practicing it, and thus we get better writers when they grow up.

For the immediate situation, the same thing applies - give people who want to write the chance to tell their story. Increase funding commitments to schools and higher education.

Get people talking about writing as an actual practice instead of as an advertising technique (ie writing copy) or as a purely legalistic/procedural language (ie taxes, lawsuits, and manuals).

People will become more interested in writing and the skills required in literacy.

Who knows, the best story might be hiding there in the heart of that guy you pass by every day living on the streets.

Re: Suddenly everyone wants New Yorker style content. Who is going to write it?

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This is a strange article. I say strange because Sarah Lacy hasn't seem to look into what "New Yorker style" prose / stories look or feel like. The New Yorker is not only a publisher of journalism. It also does short stories, serializations, and I generally consider it an incubator of literary thoughts, methods, and practices the way YCombinator is an incubator of entrepreneurship. Just look at the list of authors: h…

What makes it stranger is that this story is appearing in a publication, identifying an unserved market, without any hint that they themselves would publish exactly what they say is missing. That is a story I'd like to read, and I might even click on a Pando link to read it.
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