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Re: The mineral riches hiding under Greenland's ice

#91
post #18

This is Crimea 2.0. The ideological basis behind the annexation is identical in both instances.

Honestly, as someone who firmly opposes what Putin did, there were better "historical justifications" for Russia to annex Crimea than for the USA to colonize Greenland, a territory that has never been part of the USA. The idea of invading an ally's territory just to steal its resources is particularly shameful and disgusting.

> a territory that has never been part of the USA

Not only has Greenland never been part of the USA, it has been part of Denmark for longer than the USA has even existed.

Re: The mineral riches hiding under Greenland's ice

#92
post #8

There are a few things that confuse me about this potential acquisition: 1. You won't govern it. Greenland has it's own Self-Government Act. [0] 2. You won't own the land. Almost all land is owned by the State. [1] 3. The Danes have no special land ownership rights. [2] 4. Land use rights, however, are granted for different activities (fishing, mining) subject to approval. [3] I'd imagine none of this changes under a…

The man in charge has said in the past that he admired dictators. Many did not pay attention to this.

Congress is easy to takeover by a political party and this happens cyclically, so no one was surprised by that.

People also ignored gerrymandering because both major political parties do that, and historically it can be undone.

However, the takeover and stacking of the judicial branch with political cronies was another definite warning sign. People that were paying attention noticed this came first, because it’s the brakes that can slow an administration from getting out of control. The brake lines were effectively cut.

If you’ve studied German history and World War II, you know that Hitler didn’t just happen. There was an imperialist history. Though not typically stated in this way, the U.S. has historically been an empire for much of the 20th century, if you consider bases around the world and involvement in world conflicts (and the same could be said about some other countries, NATO, UN, etc.)

The American people cannot rise up against its own government in any substantial way when (1) families are split with half of the people are brainwashed, and (2) they think that things can be undone after N years by voting that party out (but the opposing party can not pivot to undo the economic and world political damage done by the current administration).

Most dictators were not known from the beginning of their reign as evil incarnate.

Americans keep hoping to see in the news that someone will stop this, but they suspect that if they were to try to stop it, they and their families would eventually be punished or killed. So, they’re all just waiting a few years hoping that it will be undone, and that surely the military will not let the U.S. takeover a country that does not have a despotic leader; that would break the longstanding U.S. trend of only getting very involved publically at least if they are taking the stance of the respected jock defending the little kid getting beat up.

Re: The mineral riches hiding under Greenland's ice

#93
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He shouldn't have terrorized USA with stuff like Hygge and Ozempic and those Vestas cancer-causing wind propellers!

Jens-Frederik Nielsen is the PM of Greenland, while all the things you mention are from Denmark.

As if such a pesky geographic detail ever stopped USA from invading Afghanistan when fifteen Saudi, two UAE, and one Lebanese nationals attacked them in 2001.

Re: The mineral riches hiding under Greenland's ice

#94
post #13

The events of the past 12 months, culminating in Venezuela and now Greenland, has made me reevaluate a lot of my beliefs about unimpeded competition between free agents (i.e. a free market) leading to the best and most peaceful outcomes. Clearly, a few participants becoming disproportionately powerful is a failure mode. The way I've tried to reconcile my beliefs with what are clearly contradictory observations in the…

Perhaps we need the equivalent of the concept of anti-monopoly regulations on an international scale.

Who on earth is going to police and enforce this? The UN? At this point they are just performative theatre.

Re: The mineral riches hiding under Greenland's ice

#95

As a European. I'm starting to hate the US. Not dislike. Hate. For months I thought they can't possibly allow the orange clown to ruin their country any further. But the country is clearly spiralling out of control. And I'm starting to hate the whole culture. Now if a part of the population did anything other than comment online. If they took to the streets or did anything substantial in protest. But no. Crickets. So…

> And Europe needs to unite further and prepare for war, or risk being torn apart by the new axis of evil.

As a Brit, I am praying that we rejoin the EU because it's never looked so necessary.

Re: The mineral riches hiding under Greenland's ice

#96
post #13

The events of the past 12 months, culminating in Venezuela and now Greenland, has made me reevaluate a lot of my beliefs about unimpeded competition between free agents (i.e. a free market) leading to the best and most peaceful outcomes. Clearly, a few participants becoming disproportionately powerful is a failure mode. The way I've tried to reconcile my beliefs with what are clearly contradictory observations in the…

When I was young, back in school, I asked my teacher why the main purpose of a company is to grow. Their response was: "Because it has to be." I don't think we need unlimited growth. Or, better: We CANNOT have unlimited growth, because there is a natural limit to the resources that are available. We, as a society, should do better than this. And that is what worries me: The sheer ignorance (or unawareness?) people ha…

Well, a company has to grow. If it doesn't, it'll be devoured by those who do and show pleasing YoY metrics to their shareholders and prospective investors. Simply imagine you are an investor. Which company would you put your money in? And since the world is limited a company cannot afford not growing if it wants to survive. Government regulation is impossible, because there are other governments which happily let their companies to grow and outcompete foreign companies.

Re: The mineral riches hiding under Greenland's ice

#97

As a Swede I must confess I don't know much about Greenland. But if Denmark goes all-in on Greenland, you can bet the other Nordic countries will be involved too. Not sure how this will play out. Really strange situation and as I said I don't even know how much Denmark cares about Greenland. Any Danes here that can tell us more?

"other Nordic countries will be involved"

I can't help wondering if that's really what all of this is about - the Nordics can't really fight the US and Russia at the same time (though given their history I suspect they'd try).

Re: The mineral riches hiding under Greenland's ice

#98
Is this not Trump's usual negotiation strategy? Start with outrageous, totally unacceptable demands and then slowly dial back while everyone else runs around like headless chickens. Ends with him in a much better position than if he had approached things in a rational manner?

Re: The mineral riches hiding under Greenland's ice

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, as someone who firmly opposes what Putin did, there were better "historical justifications" for Russia to annex Crimea than for the USA to colonize Greenland, a territory that has never been part of the USA. The idea of invading an ally's territory just to steal its resources is particularly shameful and disgusting.

Denmark would likely low key love to shitcan greenland. They are a massive money drain, welfare state. Their minerals exist but not enough to turn the place net positive to their colonizer. If Denmark could come "steal" something like the Pine Ridge Reservation in the Dakotas, it would be an imperfect analogy. As long as we could lose it while still saving face, it would be absolutely amazing economically for the USA…

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