Interesting and impressive from a technological perspective but wouldn't sweet.js make your code harder to debug? Macros in C are hell. Have you seen functions with ifdef littered everywhere? Why would anyone want this in JavaScript? JavaScript is dynamic enough to not need a crutch like this in my opinion. At least with CoffeeScript you're not mixing contexts. Everything is either CoffeeScript or JavaScript.
Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
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Re: Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
#12Interesting and impressive from a technological perspective but wouldn't sweet.js make your code harder to debug? Macros in C are hell. Have you seen functions with ifdef littered everywhere? Why would anyone want this in JavaScript? JavaScript is dynamic enough to not need a crutch like this in my opinion. At least with CoffeeScript you're not mixing contexts. Everything is either CoffeeScript or JavaScript.
Macros in C are a far cry from hygienic macros: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygienic_macro.
Re: Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
#13LLJS and Now Sweet JS Seems like mozilla is trying to answer TypeScript. Which is really good.
But they are not solving the same problem at all! This should be a superset of TypeScript. Since TypeScript is a superset of JavaScript, you would not be forced to use TypeScript if you didn't want to. But how can I use this with TypeScript currently?
Re: Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
#14LLJS and Now Sweet JS Seems like mozilla is trying to answer TypeScript. Which is really good.
But they are not solving the same problem at all! This should be a superset of TypeScript. Since TypeScript is a superset of JavaScript, you would not be forced to use TypeScript if you didn't want to. But how can I use this with TypeScript currently?
No. I never want to say TypeScript is bad or not. But I wan't to say is, Mozilla is trying to do something competitive with TypeScript or may be with CoffeScript.
Which is really good.
Re: Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
#15Reading about Sweet.js made me really, really want such a thing in Python. I recognise that such a thing would run completely counter to Python's 'no magic' cultural values, but structural search-and-replace seems such an intoxicatingly powerful tool, I'd like to at least have the option to abuse it.
So use Perl :)
The thing about Perl is that there is supposed to be more than one way to do it. Which enables you to mix-and-match different paradigms in a way that the Python philosophy doesn't seem to welcome.
Or just use a Lisp.
Re: Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
But they are not solving the same problem at all! This should be a superset of TypeScript. Since TypeScript is a superset of JavaScript, you would not be forced to use TypeScript if you didn't want to. But how can I use this with TypeScript currently?
No. I never want to say TypeScript is bad or not. But I wan't to say is, Mozilla is trying to do something competitive with TypeScript or may be with CoffeScript. Which is really good.
Mozilla has been working on this since before Aug 1: https://github.com/mozilla/sweet.js/commit/de15
I don't think they know anything about TypeScript before it was made publicly available, which happened a week ago or so.
Re: Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. I never want to say TypeScript is bad or not. But I wan't to say is, Mozilla is trying to do something competitive with TypeScript or may be with CoffeScript. Which is really good.
Mozilla has been working on this since before Aug 1: https://github.com/mozilla/sweet.js/commit/de15 I don't think they know anything about TypeScript before it was made publicly available, which happened a week ago or so.
Okay. I think this discussion leads to something not useful. :)
We have CofeeScript, TypeScript, LLJS (have no idea when this will be usefull), Sweet JS.
So It's about choices. That is good.
Re: Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
#18Reading about Sweet.js made me really, really want such a thing in Python. I recognise that such a thing would run completely counter to Python's 'no magic' cultural values, but structural search-and-replace seems such an intoxicatingly powerful tool, I'd like to at least have the option to abuse it.
So use Perl :) The thing about Perl is that there is supposed to be more than one way to do it. Which enables you to mix-and-match different paradigms in a way that the Python philosophy doesn't seem to welcome. Or just use a Lisp.
Perl 6 even comes with hygienic macros, I believe. That should be much nicer than source filters in Perl 5.
Re: Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
#19Interesting and impressive from a technological perspective but wouldn't sweet.js make your code harder to debug? Macros in C are hell. Have you seen functions with ifdef littered everywhere? Why would anyone want this in JavaScript? JavaScript is dynamic enough to not need a crutch like this in my opinion. At least with CoffeeScript you're not mixing contexts. Everything is either CoffeeScript or JavaScript.
Wait, why are you talking about C?
Re: Sweet.js - Sweeten your Javascript (by Mozilla)
#20Reading about Sweet.js made me really, really want such a thing in Python. I recognise that such a thing would run completely counter to Python's 'no magic' cultural values, but structural search-and-replace seems such an intoxicatingly powerful tool, I'd like to at least have the option to abuse it.
I'd suggest that metaclasses are Python's 'equivalent' for magically mutating things.