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Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

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Re: Portland's gas-powered leaf blower ban goes into effect

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Post by BenjiWiebe »

johnebgd wrote: post #17

I bought a corded electric snow blower this year for my driveway. My neighbor has a gas powered one. I sold mine after two uses because it was so ineffective it mostly just clogged. It is a highly rated unit on Amazon. My neighbor has used his for years. I hope this kind of environmentalism never comes for winter gear. At least not until we have fuel cell technology that far exceeds what batteries can offer.

There's good battery powered stuff out there, and there's a lot of bad battery powered stuff out there. Hopefully the good gets more common and the bad gets less common.

I think batteries are good enough for your needs, just that there's too much junk on the market.

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Post by mynameajeff »

johnebgd wrote: post #17

I bought a corded electric snow blower this year for my driveway. My neighbor has a gas powered one. I sold mine after two uses because it was so ineffective it mostly just clogged. It is a highly rated unit on Amazon. My neighbor has used his for years. I hope this kind of environmentalism never comes for winter gear. At least not until we have fuel cell technology that far exceeds what batteries can offer.

Yeah outside of areas with very light precipitation a pretty hefty snowblower is definitely required. In my experience the weaker models are enough of a waste of energy to where I questioned if I'd save effort just hand shoveling. Everyone I know with a nice gas powered one has had the same one for years and can clear out the entire block with relative ease.

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Post by yabones »

This is a good thing. It might inconvenience some old suburban men that have no hobbies other than making their lawn look like astroturf, but those of us that breathe air regularly should be asking for this in their own jurisdiction.

Unlike your car, a four-stroke engine with a catalytic converter, a leaf blower is a two-stroke that burns oil by design. The amount of particulate emissions is hard to understate, and the amount of NOx these belch out is staggering. Asthma, cancer, heart disease, COPD, all are on the table with this type of system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-stroke_engine#Emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOx#Health_and_environment_eff...

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Post by andy99 »

johnebgd wrote: post #17

I bought a corded electric snow blower this year for my driveway. My neighbor has a gas powered one. I sold mine after two uses because it was so ineffective it mostly just clogged. It is a highly rated unit on Amazon. My neighbor has used his for years. I hope this kind of environmentalism never comes for winter gear. At least not until we have fuel cell technology that far exceeds what batteries can offer.

I don’t think it’s environmentalism, I think that’s unfortunate just the pretense because it gets traction.

At least what I’ve found, now with more people working from home, there is more attention paid to intolerably noisy stuff that goes on when we used to be at work. I lived near a private school with a big grounds that had these idiots come and rev their leaf blowers for days every fall and spring, and it was basically impossible for me to work. I don’t especially care about the environmental impact and am sort of angry that people use the environment as a pretence when there are certainly more effective ways to be environmentally friendly. But the noise is intolerable, generally very supportive of the bans, though I think it should be about blanket norms on what noise levels are allowed and not about specific technologies.

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Post by senbrow »

johnebgd wrote: post #17

I bought a corded electric snow blower this year for my driveway. My neighbor has a gas powered one. I sold mine after two uses because it was so ineffective it mostly just clogged. It is a highly rated unit on Amazon. My neighbor has used his for years. I hope this kind of environmentalism never comes for winter gear. At least not until we have fuel cell technology that far exceeds what batteries can offer.

Corded yard tools will always suck because they can only pull It's always better to go with batteries for electric outdoor stuff for that (and other) reasons.

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Post by throwway120385 »

noodlesUK wrote: post #19

Whilst I seriously doubt that this will be regularly or universally enforced, I think that gas powered gardening and construction equipment is incredibly loud and annoying, and that especially in built-up areas it's not really acceptable where good alternatives exist. Noise pollution is usually very avoidable, and it can be quite disruptive and sometimes damaging to health. Further, where I live (in the UK), there ne…

We have the same problem where I live in the US. When I get some free time I'm going to lobby our state congress to have the sale of them banned, because it's the only way to get people to stop installing them. There is a law against driving them but it's impossible to enforce because there's no means of measuring the sound and associating it with the vehicle quickly enough to enforce it.

I'd love to have an ALPR system that localizes the noise and snaps a picture of the plate and vehicle and sends them a ticket in the mail.

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Post by Zigurd »

johnebgd wrote: post #17

I bought a corded electric snow blower this year for my driveway. My neighbor has a gas powered one. I sold mine after two uses because it was so ineffective it mostly just clogged. It is a highly rated unit on Amazon. My neighbor has used his for years. I hope this kind of environmentalism never comes for winter gear. At least not until we have fuel cell technology that far exceeds what batteries can offer.

I know the scale isn't comparable but I much prefer an electric chainsaw to a gas chainsaw. I own both kinds because every couple of years something big falls across my driveway that I can't lift without cutting it up. Mixing two-stroke fuel correctly so I don't foul the spark plug is a hassle, and something I do rarely enough that I always need to look up how to do it. Breathing two-stroke exhaust fumes is no fun at all. My cheap electric chainsaw has better torque, which makes it even easier to use. The only consumable is bar and chain oil, and after a while the chain itself.

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Post by throwway120385 »

yabones wrote: post #25

This is a good thing. It might inconvenience some old suburban men that have no hobbies other than making their lawn look like astroturf, but those of us that breathe air regularly should be asking for this in their own jurisdiction. Unlike your car, a four-stroke engine with a catalytic converter, a leaf blower is a two-stroke that burns oil by design. The amount of particulate emissions is hard to understate, and t…

Most of them are four-stroke now. They just don't have any muffler on them.
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