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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by hmry »

drstewart wrote: post #158
ben_w wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A judge making a ruling to listen to a case, issuing arrest warrants so those cases can proceed (arrest does not mean proven guilty!), is not supposed to be a valid target.

Great, then when American judges rule that Maduro is a valid arrest target, then no one in the EU can complain.

Sanctioning is now the same as complaining, apparently.

Someone is concerned about the US personally sanctioning EU judges, you make some false equivalence about EU sanctioning US companies, and then again about EU citizens complaining about US judges.

Is this all you do? It's not helping whatever case you have.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by chkchk »

atwrk wrote: post #209
m3nat33 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case So you are an enemy of someone because of where they were born?

no it means u_sama has (correctly, IMO) observed that the US has made it very clear in the past year that they don't regard the EU as an ally. I mean the openly talk about annexing EU territory right now .

That assumes that all Americans support the actions of the current administration. I know of no one that supports these actions.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ted_bunny »

m3nat33 wrote: post #198
u_sama wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case, and all efforts must be made to increase self-reliance and disentanglement from the US. Both parties of the US disrregard european interests. An argument can be made the Internet is actually Chinese because the atoms your bit relies on are mostly produced in China or Taiwan.

> My POV is Americans are not an ally in any case So you are an enemy of someone because of where they were born?

I don't have any enmity against poisonous snakes.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by happymellon »

mk89 wrote: post #31
thefz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think internet surveillance is an EU first, you will be delighted to read about PRISM

I think nobody in the EU believes that America is the country of freedom and privacy and anonymity. (Boolean and) I guess what the OP meant is that in EU you might have the police knocking at your door for some reasons you don't have in the USA, not because they don't have data about you, but because in the USA you have some very strong constitutional rights that are really hard to bypass. Twitter, Tiktok, etc could…

Tiktok was also not created in the current US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by twixfel »

mlrtime wrote: post #149
OGEnthusiast wrote: post #67

Europe is in a tough spot these days, trying to unwind decades of economic partnership with the USA while simultaneously trying to fend off Russia from Ukraine.

By trying to fend off, you mean stop sending Euros to Russia for energy?

Well, by 2027, the Russian gas imports will stop altogether.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by kergonath »

ljsprague wrote: post #102
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

>There is a saying about how US citizens trust companies but not their government, and how Europeans trust their governments but not their companies. Almost always easier to pick a new company than a new government.

As long as you have decent antitrust regulation with teeth and you ignore all natural monopolies.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by petcat »

ta20240528 wrote: post #110
OGEnthusiast wrote: post #67

Europe is in a tough spot these days, trying to unwind decades of economic partnership with the USA while simultaneously trying to fend off Russia from Ukraine.

Trying so hard to fend off Russia, but they can't put Taurus missiles on a truck and drive them to Kiev? Converting the Ford factory in Detroit into a tank factory is "trying hard".

USA has been strategically re-homing TSMC to the USA mainland for a long time now. 30% of TSMC's global production is scheduled to be produced in America by 2028. Several iPhone chips are already being produced domestically.

This is what I would call "trying hard".

Contrast with the EU which has done nothing to become self-reliant, and really just has no ideas. It is unfortunate.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

defrost wrote: post #154
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To be fair to Ireland and history they have a valid complaint going back centuries wrt outsiders taking their lands, language, governance, food and labour all while debating "the Irish Question" and reaching for eugenic "solutions". Odd then, that they didn't notice when this happened post GFC when basically all of the land banks and large assets were sold off to (predominantly) US based private equity funds. And h…

I more or less nodded along in general agreement save for > for a growing population (which we've never had before) and feel I might remind you that in the time span of my comment (past centuries) Irelands population nearly tripled in the 40 years following 1700 to a peak greater than the current population number.

> and feel I might remind you that in the time span of my comment (past centuries) Irelands population nearly tripled in the 40 years following 1700 to a peak greater than the current population number.

True, the political system was very different then though, and the government of the time (to put it lightly) was not concerned with the needs of those citizens (c.f. penal laws etc).

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by monooso »

dash2 wrote: post #212
flumpcakes wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I think most US people don't realise, is this would overnight start the slow but complete collapse of the US and it's economy. Europe can make alternatives to US tech, and with it's track record it will probably be more open with more legitimate options and less predatory monopolies. Once that is established with a home grown market of 450m people it will start competing with US in all the other markets. Let's n…

Europe can make alternatives to US tech Then why are there approximately no European tech companies? You remember that FT graph....

The article discusses many of the (unfair) tactics which have lead to US tech dominance.
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